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calling all beings y'all

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welcome back

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after a bit of a hiatus to calling all

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beings i'm your host dj along with my

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co-conspirator

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co-collaborator

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my per my co-purveyor of love to ufo

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twitter the man that we call

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money

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[Laughter]

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that introduction just gets better and

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better yeah thank you good to be here

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yeah good to have you money he was

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already on with the ufo thinker frank

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today you guys will see that whenever

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frank decides to take it out the can and

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empty it out and uh next is our humorous

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antagonist uh the lovely one the very

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pretty one the eye candy of the show and

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that's only because deb's only showing

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her avatar and that is

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flareus cavone

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big up

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sorry richard we got really daddy we got

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this is my fake microphone you like my

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new fake microphone it's beautiful

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that's fantastic

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and let's welcome in our researcher

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contextualizer

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a woman who's got a grasp

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a grasp on all aspects of the phenomenon

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both nuts and bolts consciousness all of

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it she is tireless she is the one and

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only she is a great host

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in her own right of deb's dated dojo

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adds this money nathan by the way

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capable brothers and sisters up and hit

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and her name is deb how are you love

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hello i'm good hello everybody what's up

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deb yep your hair looks great today i'm

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i'm sorry that rick's not i guess he did

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he did get to see it but you know what

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can i say

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uh next let's bring on my brother

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from the usaf

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first a combat controller yes it is the

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most difficult school that we have in

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the air force and that wasn't one enough

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for him so he went into academia came

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back as an air force

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osi special agent

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put your hands together for none other

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than

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mr

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freaking donuts

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oh my gosh i

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am an fbi agent dodie the ride is over

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sorry that was from point break i know

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you saw that right rick yes i did yes

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all right i was doing johnny utah right

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there

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i mean i'm never gonna get to utter

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those words in real life i am an fbi

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agent dodie the ride is over

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all right yes we delivered that

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perfectly though rick it's great to see

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you good to have you thank you thank you

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nate good to have you back brother um

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before we get started

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dude

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we didn't know this going in your

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episode on calling all beings right

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nathan is the most popular episode we

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have ever done numero uno yep

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great that's for that's for real brother

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we're serious

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um and i want to get to a question to

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kick us off here rick i think what is

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the most important question on on the

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mind of all of ufo twitter uh and

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certainly of the cabbies ourselves as

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well is

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what has happened to the mustache and is

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it gonna come back

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we were hoping the mustache would be

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back for this episode

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no i gave i gave up on it i um

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i had a small uh

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problem a skin infection right there and

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when i was growing it and um

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so i had to cut it off to get that to

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and i just haven't uh grown it back so

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yeah it's iconic man it's iconic it's a

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moment of silence man it really is yeah

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uh it really is one of the iconic

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mustaches uh since you know edward james

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almost in miami vice you know the police

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captain uh but

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we'll you know i'll be sure to send you

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a fake mustache for your next appearance

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if that's okay if you could meet that

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requirement okay

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yeah i mean because

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i'm not gonna go to fort bragg uh

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tomorrow and tell your instructors that

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you were you know four minutes late on

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the t.o.t that's not going to happen i'm

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not going to do that you know

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we sent you a nine line i'm just kidding

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anyway all right let me turn it over to

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my brother money nathan

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well rick mustache or not you look great

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and it's great to have you with us

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i know everybody is looking forward to

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hearing from you uh i want to start off

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with uh just you know kind of really

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jumping in the deep end a little bit

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here and want to get your thoughts on

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some things so

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i know you're familiar with kind of

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what's happening in the landscape right

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now with efforts like the galileo

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uh the james webb space telescope which

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miraculously has gotten out to where it

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needs to be and everything's calibrated

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and we're all excited to see what it's

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going to show us

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efforts from groups like uapx and even

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recently we've heard that the brazilian

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government is going to be doing some

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hearings

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uh in their uh in their legislative

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body so what i wanted to ask you is do

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efforts these civilian and non-us

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governmental efforts do you think we're

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going to get something out of these

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that will uh you know kind of prompt uh

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dialogue or revelation from our

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all these things on the agenda

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will tease the public more than it will

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answer any questions i don't i don't

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think there's going to be a disclosure

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questions that the public has regarding

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the james webb telescope i think that's

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if they release everything

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that they're going to look at

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there's going to be a lot of questions

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to uh nasa and nsa

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because we're going to see things out

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there that we know is out there

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that's been hidden from the public for

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many many years going back to the 80s

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who uh frequently visit our solar system

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how do they answer that so that's that's

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that's the thing that i'm looking at um

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these groups that are going to

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possibility the air force is going to

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pertaining the blue book that hasn't

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been released in the past well that's

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going to present a pandora's box because

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the first question is

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why hasn't the air force released

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everything uh blue book why why you know

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uh 50 years later they're deciding oh

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we're going to release something now

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more more more of the classified stuff

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any major disclosure now as far as the

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i do speak spanish but not portuguese

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photographs regarding

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photos of and and this goes back some

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war of course that was argentina but the

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what compels you to be as engaged in

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from a civilian standpoint in this topic

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my my lips were sealed for a good many

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after leaving government service

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intelligence community

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really strain to keep my lips closed

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because i'd i've seen articles i've seen

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people uh speak

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uh subjects that i had access to or i

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knew about

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and they were distorting the stories

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totally distorting the stories or

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they're writing books about something

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that never happened

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uh the rest was either speculation or

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why not come forth and uh i know enough

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i know what i can talk about and i know

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what i can't and um

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i have been visited by the fbi some

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about something that i talked about and

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they came and took my hard drive and and

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so forth and um but anyways they they

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they didn't find anything seriously

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serious and they just told me hey i

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i fully admitted i did and obviously

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they had

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a recording of it and so um

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there's nothing happened to me except

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they took my hard drive never gave it

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back but

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i have proof here that they paid me 650

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for a new computer so

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[Laughter]

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i have that receipt from the fbi and i

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showed that a number of times

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absolutely it wasn't well i could yeah

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it was an older computer laptop it was a

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there you go 2000 era

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uh

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laptop and i and and so i got a i got a

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new one back then you could buy a pretty

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good laptop for 650 dollars

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back in about 2004 345.

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anyways i i know what i can't talk about

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and i and i uh i'm not going to talk

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about those things technology

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advancements and technologies that i had

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had access to both uh

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during my intelligence service and also

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my employment with

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hal put off at the institute for

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advanced studies i worked there for 11

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years and uh

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i had access to classified stuff there

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that i wouldn't would talk about but but

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that's just all high technology that we

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gathered

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uh and i'm not going to talk

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uh in details about some kind of

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advanced uh propulsion system that we

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found out

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or we we developed with assistance of uh

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et technology but

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but everything else is pretty much open

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to me

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but you do you feel com i i feel like

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there's a pat

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there's a passion inside you that

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you want people to know about this

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i i don't know i just feel that like

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that you want you feel like it's there

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and

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just coming from me i'm not saying

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you're saying that but i feel that

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yes

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i want to set the story straight

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there's so much

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distortion lies

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uh within the ufo community that that's

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been going on for years

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uh that uh i'm i tried to set the story

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straight i'm trying to set

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uh uh uh separate facts from fiction and

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um

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there's some things out there that have

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been written that's that's that's pretty

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good and it's right on

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um

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people like linda howell she's a

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excellent ufo researcher i know her and

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i had

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differences some years ago but i think

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uh those things are

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passed

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but she's an excellent researcher and

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and she digs deep she has good sources

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good information

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um and and so she's one of them and

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there and there are others out there

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that uh that do a pretty good job and

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then there's some out there that just

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make up things

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and just i mean just make it up

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uh and

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sit back and see that happen and and not

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comment on it

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we'll get we'll definitely get to lmh

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later because we do have a specific

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question but

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our humorist flareus kevin wants to

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address you for the first time

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oh oh my gosh

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richard dodie it's it's so nice to talk

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to you oh my gosh dude

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thank you for freaking dodie i'm a

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little little star strike a little bit

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my name's kevin it's nice to meet you

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nice to meet you kevin um this is my

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fake microphone so i don't have a i'm

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not going to start with a humorous

382
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yeah especially if you haven't watched

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the show so um well

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we'll just stay on topic i got a

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question so like with the 70 years of

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disinformation um to evolve and

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circulate in like the public

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and both

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both public and private domains actually

390
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so how can the u.s government

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now possibly convince the mainstream of

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anything related like to the topic like

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do you think that the government may

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have backed themselves into a corner

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that they're now struggling to get out

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of

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excellent question yes uh absolutely uh

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the government's been hiding this from

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1947 on i mean they've been

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distorting uh the stories

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outright lying uh disinforming people um

402
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researchers who

403
00:16:03,350 --> 00:16:01,199
found out about it back in the 50s

404
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were were silenced

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um

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there that are factual regarding uh the

407
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the los angeles times this is in the 50s

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a reporter that

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that

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was told about this whole story by an

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air force

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colonel

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out of edwards air force base and um

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and then they shut him up uh they just

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informed him and

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and so yeah the the government has a lot

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to they have a big hole to dig out of

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right in order for for uh for the public

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to believe him

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did you think like people like elizondo

421
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and mellon maybe that's what their their

422
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mo is you know possibly

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i think uh you know i i

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i don't know what their agenda is i i've

425
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never spoke to him i i actually was in

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the same room with lou once and uh

427
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never actually had a conversation with

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him

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the thing about melon that i question is

430
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the guy knows

431
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the guy had all the clearances all his

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tickets are punched

433
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but if you listen to him

434
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he'll talk for

435
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30 minutes but not say a thing

436
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he doesn't reveal anything he just talks

437
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and he hides things because i think he

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still has a

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clearance that he can't disclose certain

440
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things

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lou on the other hand i think louis is

442
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the same way in the same position he had

443
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he had access to highly classified

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things and

445
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and he just can't talk about everything

446
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but

447
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i don't i you know there's a lot of

448
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people jumping all over louisville for

449
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this and that and i'm not here to

450
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protect him but

451
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uh you know he if you if you check into

452
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his background he he's done everything

453
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he claims you've done

454
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the the the government is just not

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releasing what they what he wants them

456
00:18:05,430 --> 00:18:03,360
to release regarding

457
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the intimate programs that he was

458
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involved with but

459
00:18:12,549 --> 00:18:09,520
you know he has a good service record uh

460
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did everything uh that he claimed he did

461
00:18:15,750 --> 00:18:14,799
i mean it's easily you can check on this

462
00:18:17,190 --> 00:18:15,760
stuff

463
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and um

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so

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as far as lou goes uh i think he's you

466
00:18:26,390 --> 00:18:23,840
know he's he's a real thing but

467
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as far as the ufo agenda you know i

468
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don't know i i don't i don't know where

469
00:18:32,390 --> 00:18:31,600
what he can say what he can't say

470
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uh

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and and and what his actual agenda is

472
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and uh

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thank you very much for that uh you know

474
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there's

475
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it's literally like that could be like

476
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another three questions right there

477
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there's so many places

478
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to go with you but um being that we're a

479
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show of uh four we gotta get everybody

480
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in there and so somebody who has been

481
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a rick dodie fan since your last

482
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interview with us and then joined our

483
00:19:03,430 --> 00:19:02,640
show is deb

484
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hi

485
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i told everyone that i wanted you to be

486
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my future bff when i first came into

487
00:19:15,190 --> 00:19:10,160
twitter so i'm very glad to meet you

488
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okay dad okay okay that's not my

489
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question by the way but okay okay

490
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so speaking of people coming forward and

491
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honesty versus confusion etc um

492
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i'm sure you've heard the name boyd

493
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bushman

494
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former lockheed engineer

495
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he came out into the public showing

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pictures that he said were

497
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extraterrestrials and uap craft

498
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these were some of the images some

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people have shown a toy that looks

500
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pretty much exactly like this but he got

501
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very specific about involvement

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with these extraterrestrials

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um what are your thoughts about that and

504
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in addition to that where would one best

505
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find evidence for extraterrestrials

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involved with the government or just

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well the uh

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yeah i've seen those pictures uh

509
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i've had

510
00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:20,880
a number of very very very smart people

511
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analyzed those pictures when when they

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were released

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uh i watched his video over and over

514
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again um

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there's a lot that he says that is f

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there that are that is factual uh

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he did work for lockheed and he actually

518
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worked for uh

519
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the uh

520
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a government uh another government

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entity

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that was at area 51

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so uh he you know his background is is

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factual

525
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uh i don't know where he got those

526
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pictures from i know that there's um

527
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there's some pictures some people some

528
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skeptics

529
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uh that have

530
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produced a uh

531
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a toy i think it was a toy a kid's toy

532
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that looks just like that

533
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e.t

534
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and

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they also recreated the background so

536
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i don't know um

537
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the

538
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when i was in in from

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78 until 88

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the agency responsible for et's the live

541
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ones

542
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the um

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keeping them in captivity was a defense

544
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intelligence agency dia

545
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and they were at

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area 51

547
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there is a location called

548
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annex 2

549
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uh which is northwest of papoose lake

550
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uh you can actually you can download

551
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:54,000
this on the internet that somebody is

552
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:56,400
taking a satellite photograph of that

553
00:22:02,870 --> 00:21:59,280
that complex and that is an actual

554
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complex where the uh ets were being held

555
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:05,760
uh either as a at our guest as our

556
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guests

557
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or in captivity and i think the latter

558
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is probably what we were doing uh with

559
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and so

560
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:18,240
if you want to if you want the truth

561
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,640
you're going to have to dig into dia and

562
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there's a guy out there called gene

563
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leskowski

564
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and gene is a uh he was uh

565
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:29,120
intimately involved with the program

566
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:31,360
he's still alive he's he's he's on the

567
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internet he does speak he does

568
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he had two youtube videos he doesn't say

569
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:39,200
a whole lot but he talks around about

570
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:41,760
the subject of ets he talks

571
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:44,960
about uh in details about area 51 but

572
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,200
not necessarily about anything that's

573
00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:49,360
that's contained there so obviously

574
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:52,840
he still has people watching him but

575
00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:57,120
um he taught he he does privately he's

576
00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:59,200
talked at ufo conventions and with

577
00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:01,280
private people he was good friends with

578
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:02,960
wendell stevens and i'm sure everybody

579
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:04,400
knew

580
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:06,640
a window of course unfortunately uh

581
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:09,200
window passed away a few years ago but

582
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:12,240
uh window always invited gene there and

583
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:12,960
we

584
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:13,840
would

585
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:15,520
host a

586
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:16,720
room where

587
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:19,200
certain people would come in and

588
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:21,440
we we could talk openly in that room

589
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:24,559
about uh highly classified stuff and

590
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:27,039
gene always spoke very

591
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:29,280
very details in that room

592
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:30,799
about the subject

593
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:37,350
and and

594
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:39,120
let me let me uh

595
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:41,360
i was gonna i had a few things i wanted

596
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:43,600
to talk about let me uh please bring

597
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:46,080
this up right right away

598
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:48,159
one of the things that people don't

599
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:49,279
realize

600
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:51,120
is that we we did

601
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:54,320
at least when i was in we knew five

602
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:57,919
races of et's that have visited earth

603
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,640
uh the first one even crashed in the

604
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:02,880
crash in 1947

605
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:04,720
in crona new mexico

606
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:07,120
we had him in captivity for five years

607
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:09,039
we learned a lot from him

608
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:12,799
and then there were four other uh races

609
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:15,600
every one of those races were entirely

610
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:18,080
different biologically speaking they

611
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:19,919
were entirely different

612
00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:22,240
they came from different star groups

613
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:24,080
different solar systems

614
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:26,080
their biological chemistry is were

615
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,480
entirely different they spoke different

616
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:30,960
languages some didn't speak any

617
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:34,000
languages it was all uh

618
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:35,600
not that we didn't use the word

619
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:38,559
telepathy we used a thought transfer

620
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:40,320
uh diad because it

621
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:42,320
it was more than just telepathy that

622
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:44,880
they they could that they could uh could

623
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:47,520
do with a human they could actually

624
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:50,400
plant visions of things in their heads

625
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:51,120
so

626
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:56,070
i read all the time about

627
00:25:04,310 --> 00:24:57,600
why can't we

628
00:25:07,029 --> 00:25:04,320
well they're all different they're all

629
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:07,039
different and along with them all being

630
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:08,000
different

631
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:10,080
the five that i know of now there's

632
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:11,440
going to be people out there saying oh

633
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:13,200
no there's a hundred of them we got a

634
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:14,880
thousand that we know of that visited

635
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:16,799
earth well maybe maybe that's the case

636
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:19,200
now but when i was in i can only speak

637
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:21,440
about when i was in we had we knew a

638
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:22,799
five

639
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:25,120
and each one of their crafts

640
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:26,480
were different

641
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:29,360
their technology was entirely different

642
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,320
so

643
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:32,640
the the idea that we had these crafts

644
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:36,320
that area 51 or nevada test site uh some

645
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:41,190
and and that

646
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:43,200
why can't we figure them out figure them

647
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:44,159
out well

648
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:45,760
number one we're looking at five

649
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:47,760
different technologies

650
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:50,720
and so it's it's very complicated for

651
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:52,720
our scientists

652
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:57,120
to uh try to analyze and reproduce or

653
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:58,720
recreate

654
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:01,360
uh technology based on these five

655
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:03,760
different uh technologies

656
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:06,159
that we'd have to

657
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:07,520
first of all

658
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:08,480
uh

659
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:11,279
learn their learn their science

660
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:13,440
before we could understand

661
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:15,919
and the biggest mistake we made back in

662
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,880
the uh when we we found these crafts or

663
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:20,960
or obtained them

664
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:23,520
uh is that we were trying to apply our

665
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:24,480
science

666
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:27,200
and our technologies to understanding

667
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:29,120
these crafts

668
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:32,240
and we ran up against the brick wall and

669
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:34,159
and hal put off

670
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,279
says this doctor put off very brilliant

671
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:39,440
uh scientist very very good friend of

672
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:40,400
mine

673
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:41,200
um

674
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,960
he said that

675
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,720
we couldn't understand

676
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:46,400
what a bolt was

677
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:48,960
if we were using our technology

678
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:49,679
so

679
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:51,520
what we had to do

680
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:52,960
and what these scientists brilliant

681
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:55,039
scientists because i'm not a scientist

682
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:56,320
had to do

683
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:58,720
was learn begin to learn their

684
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:00,080
technology

685
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:02,559
in order to understand their crafts and

686
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:04,320
then

687
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:06,559
that would lead in in on the road of

688
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:09,360
reverse engineering

689
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:11,440
fascinating deb has a follow-up for you

690
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:13,360
yeah i just wanted to make sure i got

691
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:15,919
this right so for someone to get the

692
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:18,080
evidence that we all really really want

693
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:19,760
that's what i think disclosure

694
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:22,159
ultimately comes down to

695
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:23,360
for people

696
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:25,520
um we should look into

697
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:30,559
nx2 at area 51 of papua's lake and price

698
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:32,000
said that wrong

699
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:35,600
dig into the dia look at gene lekowski

700
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:38,080
and window stevens is that correct just

701
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:39,919
to summarize

702
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:40,720
yeah

703
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,960
wendell stevens of course he died i

704
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:44,159
think uh

705
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:46,960
eight years ago or i believe it was that

706
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:50,399
wendell had a a a plethora of

707
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,760
of of information about ufos he had

708
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:55,679
thousands and thousands of documents

709
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:58,960
some of which were were real stuff

710
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:01,120
highly classified stuff i don't know how

711
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:04,000
he got him i know that when he uh died

712
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:07,919
the fbi paid it paid his family a visit

713
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:09,520
uh and i don't know exactly what

714
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:11,760
happened the rumors are that that they

715
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:13,760
took a bunch

716
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:14,799
and

717
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:17,279
robert dean who was his very best friend

718
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:20,399
uh sergeant major robert dean who died

719
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:22,159
just a couple years ago

720
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:25,039
he tried to protect those documents so

721
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:26,640
um

722
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:29,600
window window had

723
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:31,919
had a lot of evidence on that

724
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,840
um but what i was uh the area is s2

725
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:37,520
annex

726
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,840
northwest of papua's lake you can find

727
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:41,279
this on the internet and you can

728
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,240
actually download a satellite photograph

729
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:46,240
of that facility now whether they're

730
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:47,679
still there or not

731
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,600
i don't know uh there's some rumors that

732
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:51,360
they moved him

733
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:52,320
um

734
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:54,559
and now another thing i wanted to talk

735
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:56,559
about if i can real quickly the floor is

736
00:29:02,149 --> 00:29:00,159
yours okay is area 52

737
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,159
now

738
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,240
i was actually involved in this uh

739
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:06,000
history program where they were talking

740
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:09,760
about area 52 being at uh

741
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:17,990
area 52 is not in utah area 52 is tonapa

742
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:20,000
tonopah air force base

743
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:22,000
which is west of

744
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:23,600
of uh

745
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:25,039
groom lake

746
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:29,120
that's area 52 that's officially area 52

747
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:30,559
and at

748
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:31,840
tonopah

749
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:35,200
groom lake

750
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:38,640
is all within the nellis test range test

751
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:41,520
and training range tanapa

752
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:42,720
uh

753
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:44,000
has

754
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:47,200
some very highly classified projects

755
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:50,159
and has for years and years and years

756
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:53,200
and people kind of ignored that

757
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:55,360
area

758
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:57,279
but

759
00:30:02,149 --> 00:29:59,600
to set the story straight area 52 isn't

760
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:02,159
at uh in utah

761
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:04,240
at dugway proving grounds

762
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:06,559
it's in tonopah

763
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:09,440
that's actually area for two in fact

764
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:12,320
if you were able to enter the main gate

765
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:14,320
off highway six

766
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:17,440
um and and travel down the

767
00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:19,600
access road 20 miles and come into the

768
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:22,159
main gate at tunnel paw air force base

769
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:24,399
you'll see a sign right off to the right

770
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:25,679
that says

771
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:30,080
area 52 nellis test and training range

772
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:32,480
okay awesome man yeah i know i had a

773
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,279
friend who worked f-117s there after i

774
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:37,440
guess it i guess it was developed at

775
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,159
area 51 but i know when he worked on it

776
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:42,720
according to him is that area 52 as a as

777
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:45,520
a maintainer well i was i was there

778
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:48,000
during that time period and

779
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:51,279
we had uh an an osi office at tonopah we

780
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:52,799
had one of grim like we had one at toni

781
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:56,240
paw i knew the agents at tonopah

782
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:58,480
and and what we were doing uh you know

783
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:00,960
our counterintelligence uh

784
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:04,080
efforts there at uh tanapa in fact a

785
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:06,080
quick story about area

786
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:07,760
about tunnel paw

787
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:08,880
um

788
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:12,960
about 1950 1982 or 83 and this is just

789
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:15,360
this is during the developmental stage

790
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:17,120
of the f-117

791
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:21,039
they actually began to fly a bit earlier

792
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:26,470
we they captured two russians

793
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:29,039
trying to penetrate

794
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:30,320
tonopah

795
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:33,039
they actually got within uh

796
00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:36,000
i think five or six miles of the actual

797
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:37,279
base

798
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,159
where the 117s were stored

799
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:42,240
and before they were captured by uh air

800
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,799
force security police turned over to osi

801
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:46,559
and then eventually we turn over to the

802
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:47,919
fbi

803
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:50,000
and um so

804
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:51,840
that's how important

805
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:52,960
i mean it doesn't have anything to do

806
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:54,880
ufos but that's just how important that

807
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:58,559
base was and how uh much the the

808
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:01,120
soviets during that time period

809
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:03,200
when it was interested at the base we're

810
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:05,120
interested in the base

811
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:06,640
and

812
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:09,440
so that's just a side note

813
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:11,279
where are they buried at tonopah so we

814
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:14,399
can i'm just kidding

815
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:16,640
all right um is there anything else

816
00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:18,159
because uh the floor is yours if you

817
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:19,360
have because

818
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:20,399
if you have something else that you

819
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:22,640
wanted to speak about

820
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:24,399
um

821
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:33,519
there's one

822
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:34,559
that

823
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:41,039
still kind of a hush-hush thing but

824
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:42,720
there are um

825
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:44,159
12 of us

826
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:45,840
and we're all ex

827
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:47,600
or former uh

828
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:49,679
uh intelligence officers

829
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:58,149
air force intel a debt 22 which was the

830
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:00,559
espionage uh

831
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:02,640
collectors within the air force

832
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:06,080
counterintelligence conor espionage osi

833
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:08,960
and we got together some years ago

834
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:11,279
2010 actually

835
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,039
and

836
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:15,440
we kind of pulled together our resources

837
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:18,559
and thoughts and knowledge and

838
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:21,679
and we added people uh some very

839
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:23,440
well-known people during that time

840
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:24,720
period

841
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:26,080
and

842
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:33,669
how we would like to see disclosure

843
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:36,960
there were people that were backing us

844
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:38,399
but

845
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,360
in 2017

846
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:43,679
as a few years ago

847
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:44,880
uh

848
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,960
somebody kind of threw a monkey wrench

849
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:48,320
in it

850
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:49,840
they uh

851
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:54,559
reported us as being um

852
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:58,080
had an agenda of releasing this story

853
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:59,840
and this is about the same time that the

854
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:01,279
nimitz thing

855
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:02,559
came out and

856
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:06,399
and uh atep and and so forth so we kind

857
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:08,800
of put a stop to it we we weren't warned

858
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:11,760
or anything but uh there's some within

859
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:14,480
uh our group that decided not to do it

860
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:16,000
and backed away

861
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:17,280
and um

862
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:20,560
but now we're we're reforming uh

863
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:22,079
this and we're trying to get some other

864
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:23,839
people involved

865
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:24,960
now

866
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:27,280
it's not going to be a

867
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:28,240
um

868
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:31,119
a dramatic disclosure and a

869
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:32,879
steps of the

870
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,960
of the capitol or anything like that

871
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:36,800
because uh

872
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:38,240
they won't let i don't i don't believe

873
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:40,399
they would let us do that

874
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:43,040
uh we had a very very very good friend

875
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:45,440
uh in the government harry reid senator

876
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:46,879
harry reid

877
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:49,919
um who was uh

878
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:52,560
not necessarily in the group

879
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:54,960
but he was certainly peripherally in the

880
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:56,159
outside

881
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:57,599
looking in

882
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:00,960
and we had a number of meetings with him

883
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,480
facilitated by george knapp

884
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:07,200
and he was all for this

885
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:10,560
he gave us a lot of advice

886
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:12,880
on how we should do it

887
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:15,040
and you know 90 percent of everything he

888
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:17,119
told us was right on

889
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:18,880
of course there's there's always people

890
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:21,680
within that that decides you know i i

891
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:24,240
don't think we should go that way and

892
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,520
and we had a

893
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:27,520
retired air force general involved in

894
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:29,680
this with our internet group and he said

895
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:31,920
you know i really respect senator reid

896
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:33,680
but he's never worked within

897
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:35,839
intelligence so maybe we should do it

898
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:37,680
this way so there was always some

899
00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:39,200
conjecture about you know what we should

900
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:42,640
do in shading but um

901
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:45,119
he uh actually hooked us up with some

902
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:47,760
people that we we didn't even know of

903
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:49,520
uh who are

904
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:51,839
we who were retired years and years and

905
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:53,280
years ago

906
00:35:56,829 --> 00:35:54,720
and um

907
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:56,839
we met with these people they

908
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:01,040
weren't they were so open at first

909
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,200
uh they wanted the disclosure they

910
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:05,119
wanted us to

911
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:06,720
they wanted

912
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:08,000
somehow

913
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:09,359
the story

914
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:11,680
the real story of the ufo phenomena to

915
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:13,359
be told

916
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,800
they really wanted it but they didn't

917
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:16,400
want to do it because

918
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:18,400
of their background if i was to name him

919
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:20,000
right now everyone would know him i

920
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:21,119
don't care who you are you're going to

921
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:22,400
know these people

922
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:23,599
and so

923
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:25,359
uh you know we took their advice and

924
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:26,640
said well let's let's see how we're

925
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:29,200
going to do this and so

926
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:31,920
uh we've kind of uh we met here and

927
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:35,440
there uh we've we've uh actually managed

928
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:36,480
to

929
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:40,710
dig up the old

930
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:42,800
uh aviary

931
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,240
so to speak

932
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:46,800
uh and and we're putting that together

933
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:54,069
somewhat secretly but we're working on

934
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:54,800
it

935
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:56,560
and i think we have a pretty good idea i

936
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:57,520
don't want to

937
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:59,280
unfortunately i can't talk about a lot

938
00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:01,200
of things that we want to do

939
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:03,280
but i think we have a you know based on

940
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:04,079
what

941
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:06,079
uh harry reid told us and and some of

942
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:07,280
the others

943
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:10,000
that were intimately involved in this in

944
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:12,320
the program years ago i think we have an

945
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:14,560
idea how we can do this

946
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:15,520
and

947
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:18,480
we're going to try to put it together

948
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:21,040
in the very very near future

949
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,800
well this is very exciting i think to

950
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:24,480
everybody that's on the panel right now

951
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:25,520
and people

952
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:28,640
listening and also i have one idea of

953
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:30,320
what you could call your group you could

954
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:32,079
think about i'm just thinking of a name

955
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:33,359
just throwing it out there maybe like

956
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,560
the majestic 12.

957
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:38,640
good one and with that let me pass it to

958
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:39,920
money nathan

959
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:47,109
i love that it's got a great ring to it

960
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:48,960
really um

961
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:51,520
but uh no that's never exciting for you

962
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:57,589
maybe that the splendid 12 i don't know

963
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:01,119
i'm going to save the best for last

964
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:02,880
before i end this i'm going to tell you

965
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:04,960
something that nobody knows about so

966
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:07,440
okay stay tuned we love you rick if you

967
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:09,119
didn't already know that go ahead nathan

968
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:10,160
yeah

969
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:12,160
it's funny that you

970
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:13,599
kind of went ahead and went there right

971
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:15,839
because i was going to ask you

972
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:18,560
a question along these lines so you know

973
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:20,000
you've had decades to sort of think

974
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:22,640
about this and your place in this story

975
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:23,520
is

976
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:28,710
i'm sure you've thought long and hard

977
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:30,000
and had conversations with your

978
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:31,599
colleagues about you know what is the

979
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,599
best way and what the ramifications are

980
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:35,760
for humanity and

981
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:38,560
you know i just would love to hear

982
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:40,079
maybe a little tidbit i didn't want to

983
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:41,920
give away the full plan but

984
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:45,760
you know in your words what are the

985
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:47,440
kind of downstream

986
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:49,200
consequences of

987
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:50,800
us getting

988
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:52,960
more information about what's going on

989
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,200
in an official capacity i think we're

990
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:57,200
all hearing what you're telling us

991
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:59,200
and you know we we want to believe that

992
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:01,280
but obviously there's like this

993
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:02,960
need for

994
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:05,280
that that stamp of legitimacy that the

995
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:07,040
world will have to see in order for us

996
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,560
to kind of all look at each other and go

997
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,320
okay yeah this is

998
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,320
this is legit so you know when that

999
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:14,640
moment comes if it ever does

1000
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:16,640
we might debate on the gradation of what

1001
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:18,400
that might look like

1002
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:19,839
what are some of the downstream

1003
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:21,760
consequences in your mind i'm sure

1004
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:23,280
you've thought about this a lot what

1005
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:25,359
will follow

1006
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:27,280
oh gosh

1007
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:28,960
i could speak for

1008
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:31,359
hours on that

1009
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:33,280
one of the things that

1010
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:36,960
that disclosure uh creates

1011
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:39,119
other than a million questions

1012
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:41,920
um is how how how does the government

1013
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:43,680
prepare

1014
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:46,720
the the public for a disclosure of of

1015
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:48,160
information

1016
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:49,839
that maybe the public doesn't want to

1017
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:52,880
hear now i'll give you an example

1018
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:56,400
uh what if we what if we found out that

1019
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:57,440
uh

1020
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:59,200
eba the ebons

1021
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:00,640
that crashed

1022
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:02,880
coral i mean at the

1023
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:05,440
corona and out west of sequoia

1024
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:06,720
uh what if we

1025
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:08,960
what if evil one told us that they

1026
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:12,000
planted somebody here on earth

1027
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:13,920
two thousand years ago

1028
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:16,960
although they named him jesus but

1029
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:19,040
if if if that

1030
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:21,440
fully came out and was sanctioned by the

1031
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:22,720
government

1032
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:25,280
uh what what are the

1033
00:40:28,309 --> 00:40:26,800
what are religious leaders going to

1034
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:28,319
think number one

1035
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:31,040
what are the the person who's a uh

1036
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:32,880
a born-again christian

1037
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:35,599
or a or a strong belief in their

1038
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:37,599
particular religion doesn't happen of

1039
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:39,359
christianity it could be

1040
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:40,010
judaism

1041
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:41,839
[Music]

1042
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:43,760
islam

1043
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:48,630
that

1044
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,920
then what are they what are they going

1045
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:51,359
to think

1046
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:53,040
that that we

1047
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:55,440
that another alien race has planted

1048
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:57,280
religion on this earth

1049
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:00,160
uh i mean there's there's all sorts of

1050
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:03,280
of complications in a disclosure

1051
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:05,040
and the government has to sit back and

1052
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:06,720
think okay how are we going to handle

1053
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:07,520
this

1054
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:09,280
the first thing they got to come

1055
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:10,079
uh

1056
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:12,160
figure out how to do is how do you tell

1057
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:14,319
the peop tell the public okay we've kept

1058
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:17,280
this from you for

1059
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:21,760
70 years we've lied to you for 70 years

1060
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:25,520
uh we've disinformed you for 70 years

1061
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:26,240
we

1062
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:30,720
elaborate disinformation campaigns

1063
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:32,800
some of which i was involved with

1064
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:35,920
to fool the public into thinking that a

1065
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:38,720
either yeah what you were seeing what

1066
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:40,880
were ufos or what were you seeing with

1067
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:43,680
some kind of advanced technology

1068
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:45,520
and hiding one or the other from the

1069
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,240
public hiding our advanced technology or

1070
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:49,920
their advanced

1071
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:52,240
how do we explain what president reagan

1072
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:55,520
was at had access to in the 1980s

1073
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:57,440
that scared him that kept him up at

1074
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:58,240
night

1075
00:42:01,349 --> 00:42:00,240
i mean how do you explain all that to

1076
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,359
the people

1077
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:03,200
well i don't know

1078
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:05,200
but that's that's what we're up against

1079
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,800
in the disclosure

1080
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:08,640
and of course there's that segment

1081
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:11,520
nathan of of of uh people who are gonna

1082
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:12,560
say

1083
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:15,280
it's all bull you guys are lying it's

1084
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:18,079
everything is disinformation uh from

1085
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,200
from the crowd crash in 1947

1086
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:23,040
uh until the in

1087
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:25,839
the nimitz incident uh it's all it's all

1088
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:26,720
fake

1089
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:27,760
so

1090
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:29,040
um

1091
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:31,920
i don't try i i come up against that

1092
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:33,280
that

1093
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:38,560
i mean i get hundreds and hundreds of

1094
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:40,880
emails a week from people i'm mostly

1095
00:42:44,750 --> 00:42:43,040
positive but there's always that

1096
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:44,760
skeptics some

1097
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,000
legitimately legitimate skeptics not

1098
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:50,400
they don't swear cuss at me i don't i

1099
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:52,160
don't take those emails

1100
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:53,839
they asked me really legitimate

1101
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:55,040
questions

1102
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:58,960
of of how can we believe you now

1103
00:43:02,710 --> 00:42:59,920
when

1104
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:02,720
the government's disinformed not just me

1105
00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:03,920
but there were

1106
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:05,839
hundreds of other people doing the same

1107
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:07,599
thing i was doing

1108
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:09,520
uh disinforming the public about the

1109
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:11,520
subject now how how are we supposed to

1110
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:13,599
believe it now

1111
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:15,440
uh

1112
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:17,040
and my answer to that is if the

1113
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:19,760
government does it in a in the right way

1114
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:22,240
uh and shows proof

1115
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:23,520
they're gonna have to come out and show

1116
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:25,040
proof

1117
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,839
uh and and then explain it

1118
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:31,200
okay we don't want to scare them we

1119
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:32,880
didn't want to scare the public

1120
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:34,720
uh we wanted to try to understand

1121
00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:36,319
whether there was a threat to national

1122
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:39,920
security or or a threat to to security

1123
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,599
of the earth

1124
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:43,520
uh were these

1125
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:46,079
were these uh entities coming to our

1126
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:47,680
planet because

1127
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:50,079
they needed something here uh they were

1128
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:51,440
hostile

1129
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:53,599
uh they wanted to take over our planet

1130
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:56,000
because they had a dying planet

1131
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:57,200
uh

1132
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:59,200
we we have to explain all those we have

1133
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:00,880
to have to have answers because if we

1134
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:02,800
come out with a disclosure

1135
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:05,200
and not have the answers that's going to

1136
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:07,200
create more of a problem than not

1137
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:08,400
disclosing

1138
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,440
right well i would say that to a certain

1139
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:13,440
degree some of this would be refreshing

1140
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:16,319
like would be welcome because

1141
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:18,000
a lot of the population maybe most of

1142
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:19,359
the population already believes the

1143
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:21,280
government's been lying to us if not

1144
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:23,280
about this topic about certainly lots of

1145
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:24,640
things there's a lot of distrust in

1146
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:25,680
government

1147
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:27,920
generally right now so this in a way

1148
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:30,240
could help restore trust by saying

1149
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:32,319
you know just what you said we

1150
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:34,000
we were at fault we made some mistakes

1151
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:35,839
in hindsight maybe we made some some

1152
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:37,920
calls we wouldn't make now but we did it

1153
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:39,599
for these reasons i mean that to me that

1154
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:41,200
sounds like a mature conversation to

1155
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:42,000
have

1156
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:44,319
that that adults in the country would

1157
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:45,280
welcome

1158
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:47,119
because we're then treated like adults

1159
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:49,119
who could have that conversation but i

1160
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:50,400
also want to ask you

1161
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:51,280
sort of

1162
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:53,839
what is the extent of the partnership

1163
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:56,400
with these other entities themselves and

1164
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:58,079
obviously they're not all probably

1165
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:59,920
aligned and have the same agendas and

1166
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:01,920
all those kinds of things but i would

1167
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:04,640
hope that there is some sense of

1168
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:07,119
collaboration i mean if they are

1169
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:09,520
advanced far advanced from us surely

1170
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:12,720
they've seen civilizations like ours

1171
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:15,040
before they've been through some of this

1172
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:17,440
before i would hope they could help us

1173
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:19,119
kind of through this process do you

1174
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:22,240
think that that that's a possibility

1175
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:23,760
well um

1176
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:25,599
you know you bring up a good point but

1177
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:27,119
that's uh

1178
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:28,400
provided

1179
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:29,760
we

1180
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:32,000
actually have communicated

1181
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:33,680
thoroughly communicated with these

1182
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:35,200
different entities

1183
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:37,200
and can understand

1184
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:40,240
uh their agenda and i think

1185
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:42,560
that's the problem i don't know that we

1186
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:43,599
have

1187
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:44,880
i'm not

1188
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:47,839
i was never i never had access to

1189
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:52,319
uh that area of this of this uh

1190
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:53,440
dilemma

1191
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,400
um i knew they existed i've seen

1192
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:58,880
photographs i've seen crash sites

1193
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:01,119
i've seen crafts uh

1194
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:03,520
we chased one that escaped

1195
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:04,640
uh

1196
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:07,520
but as far as knowing what they what

1197
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:09,920
their agenda is or having communicated

1198
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:11,440
with them

1199
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:13,200
i haven't ever done that and i hadn't

1200
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:14,960
had access be

1201
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:17,520
that would be very compartmented

1202
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:21,680
i wish i did i wish i knew those answers

1203
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:23,520
i would think and this is just what i

1204
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:24,800
think i don't have any inside

1205
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:28,720
information on this but i think uh you

1206
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:29,760
bring up a

1207
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:32,400
excellent point that there must be some

1208
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:33,359
sort of

1209
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,119
cooperation

1210
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:38,160
if there are five let's just say for the

1211
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:40,000
sake of argument five

1212
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:42,800
uh et groups that are visiting earth

1213
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:45,520
there must be some sort of

1214
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:49,680
cooperation or agreement between them

1215
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,880
uh so they don't get into a a a fight or

1216
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:54,480
a or

1217
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:58,720
some kind of a a war between themselves

1218
00:47:01,910 --> 00:47:00,880
so they're there i think there must be

1219
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:01,920
now

1220
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:05,440
the other side of this do we have

1221
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:06,480
uh

1222
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:08,800
some sort of agreement with them

1223
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:11,200
now the only thing i can speak about is

1224
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,400
what eba once said

1225
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:16,079
is that

1226
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:21,750
to facilitate

1227
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:23,119
an agreement

1228
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:25,920
between the evens and and earth

1229
00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:27,119
and

1230
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:27,839
now

1231
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:30,880
you can believe the circle story you can

1232
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:33,200
believe some of the circle story

1233
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:34,400
you can believe

1234
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:37,119
none of the circle story

1235
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:40,079
but there was some sort of an agreement

1236
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:43,040
between evens and and us

1237
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:44,960
uh for them to come back

1238
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:47,760
uh in 1964 and pick up their bodies the

1239
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:49,760
bodies of the the evens that were in the

1240
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:54,400
craft and then even one who died in 52.

1241
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:55,520
um

1242
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:57,599
now i wasn't around back then and i've

1243
00:48:01,750 --> 00:48:00,079
i've i've talked to people who say yeah

1244
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,760
we had an exchange program but there

1245
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:03,760
were only three people involved three

1246
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:04,880
astronauts

1247
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:06,880
and then i i talked to other people said

1248
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:09,200
nope there's 12 it's proven

1249
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:11,680
the documents are there so

1250
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:13,599
you believe what you want to believe

1251
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:15,599
i i personally believe there was there's

1252
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:16,800
strong evidence that there was an

1253
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:18,240
exchange program

1254
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:22,240
now who went i don't know uh three or

1255
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:24,319
or 12 i don't know

1256
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,599
um

1257
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:27,440
and so uh

1258
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:30,319
we had some sort of an arrangement with

1259
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:33,119
the evens now

1260
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:36,480
linda howe actually had contact with the

1261
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:39,440
the handling agent of

1262
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:42,640
aviva one before he died and she she

1263
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:44,559
talks uh

1264
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:46,240
more knowledgeable than i do about it

1265
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:47,760
because i never spoke to that person

1266
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,520
there was an air force captain

1267
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:51,680
an intelligence officer who was actually

1268
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:54,400
lived with evil one for five years and

1269
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:56,559
was able to communicate

1270
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:57,760
uh so

1271
00:49:02,069 --> 00:48:59,359
um

1272
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:02,079
there's there's strong evidence that

1273
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:05,599
we have some sort of agreement

1274
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:08,319
or working relationships with the evens

1275
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:10,800
but i don't know about the others

1276
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:12,160
that that's funny rick because you'd be

1277
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:13,920
like you know telling your wife hey i'm

1278
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:15,760
going on tdy

1279
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:18,000
i i can't tell you where i'm going but

1280
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:18,640
it

1281
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:22,800
i'm coming back so the funding for this

1282
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:26,559
tdy it's kind of indefinite

1283
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:29,359
yeah yeah but no all kidding aside i was

1284
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:30,880
blown away i heard you say that i want

1285
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:33,359
to shout out thomas fessler for the

1286
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:35,280
interview that you had with thomas

1287
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,880
fussler and his team that was a

1288
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:38,640
fantastic interview

1289
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,000
uh very very comprehensive in nature and

1290
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:44,480
brilliant questions from his panel uh

1291
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:46,720
and so i heard you say and this was in

1292
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:48,880
the lead up studying up for this this

1293
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:51,440
interview i heard you say that about the

1294
00:49:56,069 --> 00:49:53,599
and i thought that the an exchange

1295
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:56,079
program would be total bs total

1296
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:58,319
fabrication and when i heard you say

1297
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:00,800
that i was kind of blown away so

1298
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,960
um and this also

1299
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:04,800
i'm gonna i'm gonna get to this as sort

1300
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:08,559
of a follow-up about

1301
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:10,640
a source that i had that said that they

1302
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:13,200
came and actually took a craft back

1303
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:14,800
that was given to us and i'll ask you

1304
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:17,200
about that but let's let's focus on the

1305
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:19,520
the biological creature first and then

1306
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:25,990
where are you at on that situation that

1307
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:28,640
we actually had a second being that they

1308
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:36,790
i read a document was uh that wendell

1309
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:40,800
stephens had that was heavily redacted

1310
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:41,599
but

1311
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:43,040
you know reading through it you could

1312
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:45,520
get the gist of what the subject matter

1313
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:46,640
was

1314
00:50:52,829 --> 00:50:49,680
and it pertained to an exchange program

1315
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:52,839
and and it talks about

1316
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:55,599
um eva one

1317
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:57,040
helped us

1318
00:51:01,910 --> 00:51:00,160
uh with the items found in the craft the

1319
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:01,920
communications device and the energy

1320
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:02,880
device

1321
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:05,200
explained to to us what they were and

1322
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:06,720
how

1323
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:08,800
we should use them to communicate or

1324
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:10,240
send messages

1325
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:13,119
to us to circle the the planet to his

1326
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:14,160
planet

1327
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:16,319
in order to to bring

1328
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:18,160
a rescue ship back

1329
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,480
so um

1330
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:22,800
i'm pretty sure that's factual

1331
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:23,680
now

1332
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:26,240
uh it also speaks about an exchange

1333
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:28,720
program how how they did this and it's

1334
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,200
an elaborate system of how they were

1335
00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:33,599
able to how we were able to send

1336
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,960
messages

1337
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:36,480
that that went

1338
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:38,240
somehow faster than the speed of light

1339
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:39,359
because

1340
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:41,359
if that planet was 40 light years away

1341
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:45,760
30 37 or 38.5 light years away

1342
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:47,839
how did we get messages back and forth

1343
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:49,200
as quick as

1344
00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:51,680
as they did well

1345
00:51:56,230 --> 00:51:54,079
there's a method to do that and we know

1346
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:56,240
about it now i mean it's it's it's

1347
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:57,680
something that even

1348
00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:00,319
dr putoff has has worked on

1349
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:02,240
so anyways they must have done it in

1350
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:04,640
some manner anyway and and

1351
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:07,599
uh so we did and we set up this exchange

1352
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:08,800
program

1353
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:11,280
they left eva 2 here

1354
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:13,760
and 64 65 whatever day you want to

1355
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:14,720
believe

1356
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:17,680
and then our astronauts went back to

1357
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:18,800
circle

1358
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:21,200
uh either three or twelve we don't

1359
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:22,640
whatever you want to believe

1360
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:25,599
there and then the eva ii stayed here

1361
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,640
until

1362
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:28,240
the other one supposedly was supposed to

1363
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:30,480
come back in ten years but they didn't

1364
00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:32,720
come back uh

1365
00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:35,359
for 12 years or 13 years because of the

1366
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:36,240
time

1367
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:37,359
differences

1368
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:39,280
is so strange

1369
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:42,559
and then uh eva two then

1370
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:45,200
some people say he stayed or actually it

1371
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:46,559
was a female

1372
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:48,800
she stayed

1373
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:51,920
and some said no she went back so i

1374
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:54,559
i don't know anything factual other than

1375
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:57,359
what this document that wendell had

1376
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:59,760
and and some of the people that were

1377
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:01,280
around back then

1378
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:04,240
uh eluded to that uh yeah we did have an

1379
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:06,720
exchange program a particular general

1380
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:08,880
air force general unfortunately passed

1381
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:09,839
away

1382
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:13,200
some years ago um stood by that and he

1383
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:16,160
he was at a ufo convention in 2006 and

1384
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:17,119
said

1385
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:18,480
everything

1386
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:20,079
that you're saying

1387
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:22,960
about this exchange program

1388
00:53:26,829 --> 00:53:26,000
is factual except for the numbers of

1389
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:26,839
people

1390
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:29,280
astronauts if it was one it would be

1391
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:31,680
incredible exactly exactly yeah that i

1392
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:33,440
was just i was just going to say that

1393
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:34,960
you took the word time out if it was

1394
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:37,200
just one person we'd say one for one

1395
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:40,720
that would be a phenomena and and so

1396
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:42,960
i think they were i think there's just

1397
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:45,040
three i think linda would say there was

1398
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:47,520
only three but uh and then there's i

1399
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:49,200
then there's another person out there

1400
00:53:54,829 --> 00:53:50,960
who still talks about it

1401
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:54,839
um and his credibility is kind of

1402
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:58,240
uh questionable that um

1403
00:54:01,750 --> 00:54:00,720
he says that he can verify that we were

1404
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:01,760
12

1405
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:02,800
so

1406
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:04,079
um

1407
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:04,880
that's

1408
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:07,839
something before we get into craft

1409
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:08,880
because i'm going to ask you that

1410
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:11,280
question about craft do you know if eben

1411
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:13,760
had emotions did they miss home i hate

1412
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:15,680
to use an et phone home reference that

1413
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:17,839
type of thing did they feel emotion like

1414
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:21,280
that they they missed their kind yeah

1415
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:27,349
seriously all kidding aside was there an

1416
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:29,040
emotional component that you have been

1417
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:32,000
made aware of between uh either ebin one

1418
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:33,359
or eb2

1419
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:35,200
that that uh that they missed a

1420
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:36,880
connection with home

1421
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:39,359
yeah i i have a uh there's a person

1422
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:41,760
still alive today he's up there uh

1423
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:43,359
probably 90 something

1424
00:54:48,309 --> 00:54:46,240
uh who knew about the uh uh knew about

1425
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:48,319
evil one actually met with eva one

1426
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:49,200
didn't

1427
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:52,559
but but spoke to his handler the air

1428
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:53,760
force captain

1429
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:55,920
and um

1430
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:58,640
yeah he did have a uh

1431
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:01,680
emotions he wanted to go home

1432
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:03,040
and that's why he was trying to

1433
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:05,040
facilitate all these methods to

1434
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:07,440
communicate with his home planet to try

1435
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:09,599
to get a rescue ship back

1436
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:12,240
and and take him home he he wanted that

1437
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:15,359
you know unfortunately he passed away

1438
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:16,799
again

1439
00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:19,440
i don't really understand why although

1440
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:21,280
there's there's people smarter than me

1441
00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:24,240
like dr kit greene and some others

1442
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:26,240
uh who figured out that

1443
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:28,079
you know our germs killed him basically

1444
00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:30,640
you know we just uh

1445
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:31,359
so

1446
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:32,160
uh

1447
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:34,400
yeah he wanted he had emotions and he

1448
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:36,319
did want to get back home

1449
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:38,799
and and that's why he was trying to

1450
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:40,079
get this done

1451
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:42,720
uh within his life time period he

1452
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:43,839
obviously didn't know he was going to

1453
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:44,880
die but

1454
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:46,880
um and we were trying to do the same

1455
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:49,200
thing uh

1456
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:51,520
to to to help him help him along and i

1457
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:52,880
think

1458
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:59,349
i've been told by somebody who was a

1459
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:01,440
in the reagan administration

1460
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:03,599
back in those days that

1461
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:04,400
uh

1462
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:06,240
steven spielberg was given a lot of

1463
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:09,040
information he had to about this had to

1464
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:11,119
have been a lot of information about

1465
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:13,599
this and um

1466
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:15,200
and he

1467
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:17,040
you know made it

1468
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:20,400
the program e.t based on aniba one

1469
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:27,030
exactly yeah

1470
00:56:29,910 --> 00:56:28,000
um

1471
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:29,920
the last question i have for you before

1472
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:32,480
i turn it over to kevin because we all

1473
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:34,240
need some rick dodie in our life and we

1474
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:36,880
only have 25 more minutes of rick dodie

1475
00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:39,280
is um

1476
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:41,680
relative so i heard that

1477
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:43,760
i heard that from uh from a source that

1478
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:45,359
i trust

1479
00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:48,000
so it's it's third hand sec

1480
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:49,920
second or third third hand information

1481
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:52,400
to me from a source that they trust

1482
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:53,280
that

1483
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:55,520
and and it goes on on doc filet's theory

1484
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:58,000
that we've been gifted craft something

1485
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:00,880
that i thought had no merit and

1486
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:03,200
then i had to readjust my position on

1487
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:05,359
that my thoughts on that after hearing

1488
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:07,040
this that that

1489
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:08,640
we were gifted a craft and then that

1490
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:10,960
craft was taken back do you have any

1491
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:17,349
um i've heard

1492
00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:19,760
i've heard that story from a number of

1493
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:21,040
people

1494
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:23,839
i sat at a

1495
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:26,640
i worked for gaia i'm on gaia uh

1496
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:29,520
employed by gaia i was sitting in a

1497
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:30,720
pre-production

1498
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:32,880
meeting with with somebody and

1499
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:35,280
and we were and he he would would have

1500
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:36,799
known some of this

1501
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:38,880
and he told me uh yeah we you know we

1502
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:41,839
were gifted uh two crafts

1503
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:42,640
and

1504
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:48,960
i didn't have

1505
00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:50,240
the clearance

1506
00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:51,200
uh

1507
00:57:55,750 --> 00:57:53,359
for technology i mean that's a separate

1508
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:55,760
clearance compartmented

1509
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:58,400
um and so i i can't answer you know the

1510
00:58:01,829 --> 00:57:59,599
question that

1511
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:01,839
whether i actually knew this or not

1512
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:02,720
um

1513
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:04,960
i know that

1514
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:10,319
knows about

1515
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:13,440
crash sites two of them in nevada

1516
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:14,559
um

1517
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:19,280
that we've we found in the 60s in in

1518
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:20,480
i think one in

1519
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:22,880
the middle 60s and one late 60s

1520
00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:25,760
and we recovered them and and the et's

1521
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:27,280
and boredom

1522
00:58:32,549 --> 00:58:30,000
and that's probably why we had them in

1523
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:32,559
captivity because one particular

1524
00:58:37,030 --> 00:58:34,319
group wasn't very uh

1525
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:37,040
very nice they didn't play nice uh so to

1526
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:40,400
speak and so uh but as far as

1527
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:42,960
th me actually knowing whether we had

1528
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:45,440
him and gave him back i i can just guess

1529
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:47,440
i just tell you what i know as rumors

1530
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:49,599
but i don't know anything firsthand same

1531
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:55,990
that's just wild i mean here's the thing

1532
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:58,400
this stuff it goes back way way past 70

1533
00:59:01,829 --> 00:59:00,400
years i mean you've got

1534
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:01,839
you've got the romans you've been there

1535
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:05,359
flying shields you know you've got

1536
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:08,319
it just it goes back forever i mean

1537
00:59:13,549 --> 00:59:10,319
hancock says we're a species with

1538
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:13,559
amnesia you know i'm wondering if

1539
00:59:18,549 --> 00:59:15,760
counterintelligence have had they have

1540
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:18,559
any had any efforts relating to like

1541
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:21,040
ancient sites like maybe archaeology is

1542
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:22,400
there stuff that

1543
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:24,319
the government has kind of made a mess

1544
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:26,640
of in that topic as well relating to the

1545
00:59:31,510 --> 00:59:29,440
ufo subject

1546
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:31,520
i don't know anything firsthand but i've

1547
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:33,680
certainly been to

1548
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:35,920
giza i've been to

1549
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:38,880
mexico i've been to the sites

1550
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:41,839
uh and looked at the artifacts

1551
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:44,400
yeah and i i i

1552
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:46,079
i personally believe there has to be

1553
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:47,200
connection

1554
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:49,920
it's just it's just as astonishing to

1555
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:51,200
see

1556
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:52,400
uh

1557
00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:54,880
these pyramids and these other things

1558
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:57,760
can be related to ets

1559
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:59,680
and what i'm really fascinated with are

1560
01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:01,200
the petroglyphs

1561
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:03,920
or the the cave drawings uh you know

1562
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:04,960
caveman

1563
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:06,640
yes

1564
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:10,000
ten thousand years ago or drawing et's

1565
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:12,240
how how can you how can you rationalize

1566
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:13,040
that

1567
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:16,559
long and you've got the dogon symbols

1568
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:18,079
which are you know are physics

1569
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:20,400
principles you like exactly this goes

1570
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:23,119
back so far i mean we're only at the tip

1571
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:25,200
of the iceberg right now i think

1572
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:27,440
like um i mean

1573
01:00:35,190 --> 01:00:33,030
you know one look at social media and

1574
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:35,200
the the public doesn't really seem to be

1575
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:37,599
interested in engaging in this topic you

1576
01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:39,440
know they don't they don't seem to be

1577
01:00:43,109 --> 01:00:41,760
see the benefits in doing so so someone

1578
01:00:45,510 --> 01:00:43,119
who served

1579
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:45,520
and has that inside knowledge how

1580
01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:47,520
concerned are you with that public

1581
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:50,000
perception you know that we're all just

1582
01:00:53,589 --> 01:00:52,000
kind of nutters when there's it goes

1583
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:53,599
back so far

1584
01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:55,440
you know

1585
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:57,920
well uh

1586
01:01:02,789 --> 01:01:00,079
there are a lot of people out there uh

1587
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:02,799
who uh i spoke to an archaeologist uh

1588
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:06,240
just uh a few few years ago

1589
01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:07,040
who

1590
01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:09,119
doesn't he didn't doesn't necessarily

1591
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:12,880
believe in ufo phenomena but

1592
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:14,960
his his question

1593
01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:16,160
is

1594
01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:18,319
he can't understand

1595
01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:20,319
uh how some of these

1596
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:22,720
archaeological sites

1597
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:24,720
can exist on earth

1598
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:26,640
and some of these other things that he's

1599
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:28,960
had access to and seen

1600
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:32,640
a pers up front in person

1601
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:34,400
how could it have been general how could

1602
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:37,280
we generate something like that here on

1603
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:40,880
earth in the in the caveman era or even

1604
01:01:44,309 --> 01:01:43,200
in the native american era

1605
01:01:48,069 --> 01:01:44,319
uh

1606
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:48,079
and and understand it in the realm of

1607
01:01:51,670 --> 01:01:50,160
of advanced technology

1608
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:51,680
somehow

1609
01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:53,680
something happened

1610
01:01:56,950 --> 01:01:54,720
and

1611
01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:56,960
uh although i argue the point that you

1612
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:59,119
know there were et's came here well he

1613
01:02:02,470 --> 01:02:00,240
says yeah

1614
01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:02,480
or maybe something else

1615
01:02:07,270 --> 01:02:04,319
uh you know there's people that says

1616
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:07,280
it's interdimensional and is you know i

1617
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:09,359
don't believe that necessarily but

1618
01:02:14,069 --> 01:02:11,680
it's possibility

1619
01:02:14,950 --> 01:02:14,079
it's a possibility

1620
01:02:16,789 --> 01:02:14,960
and so

1621
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:16,799
um

1622
01:02:23,349 --> 01:02:20,880
you know you see you find this stuff

1623
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:23,359
all over uh and and

1624
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:26,960
a quick analogy i was during my uh

1625
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:28,960
cct days

1626
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:30,960
i was on a um

1627
01:02:35,670 --> 01:02:33,440
an operation where we

1628
01:02:37,109 --> 01:02:35,680
were in a remote area and we were

1629
01:02:39,430 --> 01:02:37,119
setting up a

1630
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:39,440
comm link for a special operations

1631
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:40,559
mission

1632
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:42,799
and we got into this cave

1633
01:02:46,870 --> 01:02:45,520
and we found this box

1634
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:46,880
and now

1635
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:48,640
cctvs are we're pretty good in

1636
01:02:53,029 --> 01:02:50,880
communications and and any type of

1637
01:02:55,029 --> 01:02:53,039
communications and we're also taught to

1638
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:55,039
come to repair being able to repair

1639
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:56,000
things on

1640
01:03:00,309 --> 01:02:58,799
on the field we found this box

1641
01:03:03,109 --> 01:03:00,319
we knew it was something but we couldn't

1642
01:03:05,670 --> 01:03:03,119
figure out what it was and so we kind of

1643
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:05,680
put it aside and we and after the

1644
01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:08,160
operation was over with we took it back

1645
01:03:13,510 --> 01:03:10,240
and i gave it to one of our technicians

1646
01:03:15,510 --> 01:03:13,520
who wasn't ct but he was a a repair

1647
01:03:17,829 --> 01:03:15,520
technician

1648
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:17,839
i i just gave it to him and he said

1649
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:19,760
i saw him months later and he said jesus

1650
01:03:23,589 --> 01:03:21,680
you know you just gave us an artifact

1651
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:23,599
that's probably a thousand years old and

1652
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:25,520
i said why whoa

1653
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:27,920
impossible that thing had knobs on it he

1654
01:03:32,230 --> 01:03:29,760
goes yeah yeah i know i had knobs on it

1655
01:03:32,950 --> 01:03:32,240
but it's it's we can't even understand

1656
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:32,960
it

1657
01:03:35,990 --> 01:03:34,240
wow so

1658
01:03:37,750 --> 01:03:36,000
that was before i ever ever got into the

1659
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:37,760
subject ufo was good and then you jump

1660
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:39,520
ahead years later when i was in got

1661
01:03:42,549 --> 01:03:40,960
briefed into the program i always

1662
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:42,559
thought about that thing

1663
01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:44,720
okay had to be an e.t that they left

1664
01:03:47,829 --> 01:03:46,160
here on earth

1665
01:03:50,069 --> 01:03:47,839
but when i was trying to go out and find

1666
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:50,079
it everything's classified about it now

1667
01:03:52,549 --> 01:03:50,799
so

1668
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:52,559
it's just an example of

1669
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:56,160
of things that have been found that uh

1670
01:04:00,789 --> 01:03:58,960
we we can't understand uh and they're

1671
01:04:02,390 --> 01:04:00,799
they're thousands of years old there's a

1672
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:02,400
there's a something that was found in

1673
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:04,319
the tibet uh

1674
01:04:08,069 --> 01:04:05,920
years ago that

1675
01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:08,079
is in the museum and and i think the

1676
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:10,000
history channel or somebody uh learning

1677
01:04:13,829 --> 01:04:12,640
channel somebody did a special on it uh

1678
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:13,839
but they couldn't figure out that what

1679
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:16,160
that was but it had knobs on it

1680
01:04:19,109 --> 01:04:17,200
gauges

1681
01:04:20,710 --> 01:04:19,119
yeah you know

1682
01:04:23,430 --> 01:04:20,720
we didn't have that technology ten

1683
01:04:24,549 --> 01:04:23,440
thousand five thousand years ago right

1684
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:24,559
yeah we're still trying to figure out

1685
01:04:36,069 --> 01:04:32,549
hi there so i have some questions from

1686
01:04:38,069 --> 01:04:36,079
the audience and quite a few of my own

1687
01:04:40,950 --> 01:04:38,079
and i'm going to try to do it as a

1688
01:04:43,109 --> 01:04:40,960
lightning round in the interest of time

1689
01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:43,119
so we're just going to go with uh asking

1690
01:04:48,390 --> 01:04:45,760
you to say yes or no if that's okay sure

1691
01:04:50,950 --> 01:04:48,400
okay here we go

1692
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:50,960
is nasa keeping info from the public

1693
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:53,520
related to the uap topic

1694
01:04:57,109 --> 01:04:54,960
yes

1695
01:04:59,430 --> 01:04:57,119
do you feel the government is over

1696
01:05:00,710 --> 01:04:59,440
classifying uap

1697
01:05:02,870 --> 01:05:00,720
information

1698
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:02,880
absolutely yes

1699
01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:05,760
could human abductions be linked to the

1700
01:05:14,630 --> 01:05:13,349
i i wouldn't i wouldn't be in a position

1701
01:05:16,630 --> 01:05:14,640
to answer that question i don't know

1702
01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:16,640
okay that's fine you can definitely say

1703
01:05:22,150 --> 01:05:19,520
pass don't feel pressured at all okay

1704
01:05:24,309 --> 01:05:22,160
um do you support amnesty for people

1705
01:05:26,950 --> 01:05:24,319
coming forward to help congress with

1706
01:05:29,349 --> 01:05:26,960
transparency oversight and disclosure

1707
01:05:31,750 --> 01:05:29,359
absolutely yes okay

1708
01:05:36,230 --> 01:05:31,760
is the us government responsible for

1709
01:05:37,029 --> 01:05:36,240
some of the cases of cattle mutilations

1710
01:05:37,990 --> 01:05:37,039
yes

1711
01:05:40,390 --> 01:05:38,000
okay

1712
01:05:42,549 --> 01:05:40,400
would that possibly be due to project

1713
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:42,559
plowshare or

1714
01:05:47,589 --> 01:05:45,839
experiments with mad cow disease

1715
01:05:49,990 --> 01:05:47,599
well i don't know the exact reason but i

1716
01:05:51,270 --> 01:05:50,000
know the government has a program okay

1717
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:51,280
okay thank you

1718
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:53,920
is project

1719
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:57,359
blue book report 13 the document being

1720
01:06:00,950 --> 01:06:00,000
released by any chance i believe it is

1721
01:06:02,630 --> 01:06:00,960
yes

1722
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:02,640
have you heard that

1723
01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:06,000
project blue book report 13 has to do

1724
01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:10,549
hmm

1725
01:06:19,029 --> 01:06:16,950
you can say past i'd rather not answer

1726
01:06:20,950 --> 01:06:19,039
that yeah pass is totally fine don't

1727
01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:20,960
forget the past is cool

1728
01:06:23,349 --> 01:06:21,839
okay

1729
01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:23,359
um

1730
01:06:28,470 --> 01:06:27,200
i looked at project garnet which was the

1731
01:06:32,710 --> 01:06:28,480
um

1732
01:06:34,789 --> 01:06:32,720
howe had looked at some time ago and

1733
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:34,799
found a connection to the dna so my

1734
01:06:39,349 --> 01:06:36,240
question is

1735
01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:39,359
is there a project garnet related to how

1736
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:42,160
dna is connected to

1737
01:06:45,430 --> 01:06:44,400
humans and et

1738
01:06:49,029 --> 01:06:45,440
yes

1739
01:06:51,029 --> 01:06:49,039
okay is there a yellow and or red book

1740
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:51,039
used by the government to keep track of

1741
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:54,559
e.t contacts and races

1742
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:56,000
well the yellow bug is something given

1743
01:07:01,109 --> 01:06:57,280
to us

1744
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:01,119
by eba and then the the red book is

1745
01:07:03,589 --> 01:07:02,319
our

1746
01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:03,599
historical

1747
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:06,000
uh collection of ufo data

1748
01:07:08,950 --> 01:07:06,880
okay

1749
01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:08,960
um do you think that the other well i'm

1750
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:11,760
sorry yes or no do you the others use

1751
01:07:15,829 --> 01:07:14,400
wormholes as suggested by

1752
01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:15,839
eric davis

1753
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:16,720
yes

1754
01:07:20,549 --> 01:07:17,920
okay

1755
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:20,559
is the ufo community a test study for

1756
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:31,109
uh

1757
01:07:34,789 --> 01:07:31,990
yes

1758
01:07:36,710 --> 01:07:34,799
okay um do you feel the phenomenon will

1759
01:07:40,870 --> 01:07:36,720
reveal itself on its own in an

1760
01:07:42,549 --> 01:07:40,880
undeniable way for the entire planet

1761
01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:42,559
um

1762
01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:44,240
i'll pass i don't know

1763
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:45,280
okay

1764
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:48,240
um has the government been experimenting

1765
01:07:51,029 --> 01:07:49,920
with time travel

1766
01:07:55,510 --> 01:07:51,039
yes

1767
01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:57,349
not a portable something else it's

1768
01:08:01,270 --> 01:07:58,319
something

1769
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:01,280
yeah okay as you can tell rick uh deb

1770
01:08:06,549 --> 01:08:03,359
has enough in the rapid fire round to

1771
01:08:09,430 --> 01:08:06,559
put 30 millimeter rounds in every tank

1772
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:09,440
in kiev and have like 17 rounds in it

1773
01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:12,720
right right now yeah no i'm trying

1774
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:14,400
i'm trying to do it

1775
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:16,960
go ahead out of respect to time i love

1776
01:08:22,829 --> 01:08:20,239
it yeah was clifford stone accurate in

1777
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:22,839
his statements regarding moon

1778
01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:25,679
dust yes

1779
01:08:28,950 --> 01:08:26,960
i already knew that one by the way

1780
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:28,960
because the dia let that one slip too

1781
01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:31,279
everybody okay hermione

1782
01:08:37,269 --> 01:08:34,719
sorry sorry um do you think bob lazar

1783
01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:37,279
actually worked at s4 to reverse

1784
01:08:41,829 --> 01:08:39,600
engineer craft

1785
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:41,839
i know bob lazar worked there i

1786
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:44,480
absolutely know he worked there yes

1787
01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:45,839
okay

1788
01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:48,239
um do you feel like being public is

1789
01:08:53,829 --> 01:08:51,440
suggested for other people coming out to

1790
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:53,839
keep them safe within

1791
01:08:56,309 --> 01:08:54,960
um

1792
01:08:57,510 --> 01:08:56,319
well how should i put this within the

1793
01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:57,520
public eye

1794
01:09:02,070 --> 01:09:01,199
when they're disclosing information

1795
01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:02,080
yes

1796
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:04,480
okay i agree with that too are my labs

1797
01:09:09,749 --> 01:09:06,799
occurring

1798
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:09,759
is what my labs are they actually a

1799
01:09:12,789 --> 01:09:11,040
thing

1800
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:12,799
yes

1801
01:09:17,189 --> 01:09:14,400
do you think the government is

1802
01:09:18,870 --> 01:09:17,199
continuing to try to use psychotronics

1803
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:18,880
remote viewing or mind control

1804
01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:22,080
experiments on the public

1805
01:09:28,630 --> 01:09:27,110
and my last it's my last one dj i just

1806
01:09:30,149 --> 01:09:28,640
want to make sure grant because grant's

1807
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:30,159
question got in there but go ahead grant

1808
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:32,640
lavac go ahead well yeah this that i had

1809
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:35,279
some of his i put some in here but some

1810
01:09:39,430 --> 01:09:37,279
of them are too long to

1811
01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:39,440
make into a lightning round okay

1812
01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:42,400
last one do you think poltergeist ghosts

1813
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:45,759
cryptids and other concepts like bigfoot

1814
01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:49,759
may be connected to the uap phenomenon

1815
01:09:53,829 --> 01:09:50,640
yes

1816
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:53,839
okay and i guess i had one last fun one

1817
01:09:57,990 --> 01:09:55,280
how about adding

1818
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:58,000
uh me changing your name to aviary 12

1819
01:10:01,750 --> 01:09:59,760
12. how about that one

1820
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:01,760
the group i like that one good idea yeah

1821
01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:04,960
well i saw that on a chat yeah yeah

1822
01:10:10,630 --> 01:10:08,400
deb is so lovable uh money nathan

1823
01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:10,640
okay so i want to go to this uh

1824
01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:13,520
place there seem to be layers to this

1825
01:10:19,030 --> 01:10:16,320
issue and um we in many ways it seems

1826
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:19,040
almost like we are disentangling

1827
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:22,719
things that have accumulated this

1828
01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:24,960
crust that has accumulated on this topic

1829
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:27,520
over the decades that that i hear from

1830
01:10:30,149 --> 01:10:28,239
you

1831
01:10:33,030 --> 01:10:30,159
we need to kind of chip that away and

1832
01:10:34,149 --> 01:10:33,040
get back to some some more core elements

1833
01:10:35,590 --> 01:10:34,159
but

1834
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:35,600
a lot of the things that are talked

1835
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:37,920
about now

1836
01:10:41,669 --> 01:10:39,840
some leading theories

1837
01:10:44,229 --> 01:10:41,679
you hear the word consciousness

1838
01:10:45,270 --> 01:10:44,239
consciousness is thrown out quite a lot

1839
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:45,280
so

1840
01:10:50,229 --> 01:10:47,840
do you think that

1841
01:10:52,870 --> 01:10:50,239
where do you think consciousness

1842
01:10:55,590 --> 01:10:52,880
fits into the overall

1843
01:11:00,470 --> 01:10:55,600
paradigm or or model of reality with

1844
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:02,630
i think it's connected in some way i'm

1845
01:11:04,630 --> 01:11:03,760
i'm

1846
01:11:07,750 --> 01:11:04,640
you know i

1847
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:07,760
i i look at it more philosophically than

1848
01:11:13,830 --> 01:11:12,080
in in details or i mean i'm not a

1849
01:11:16,390 --> 01:11:13,840
that's probably the weakest area that

1850
01:11:19,669 --> 01:11:16,400
i've ever uh studied or or was involved

1851
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:19,679
with during my time in intelligence

1852
01:11:23,830 --> 01:11:21,360
but i think there's something to it i

1853
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:23,840
i've learned more so much more

1854
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:25,520
after uh

1855
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:28,000
getting out and working with gaia and

1856
01:11:31,590 --> 01:11:29,280
and listening to some of these

1857
01:11:33,910 --> 01:11:31,600
contactees abductees and these

1858
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:33,920
um people who are more

1859
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:37,679
attuned to the uh consciousness level

1860
01:11:42,149 --> 01:11:39,440
and how they

1861
01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:42,159
relate their consciousness to

1862
01:11:44,229 --> 01:11:43,199
uh

1863
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:44,239
a living

1864
01:11:47,669 --> 01:11:45,840
something living

1865
01:11:50,070 --> 01:11:47,679
and i think that's fascinating but you

1866
01:11:52,149 --> 01:11:50,080
know that's really the only way

1867
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:52,159
anything i can comment on

1868
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:53,520
okay great

1869
01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:54,400
um

1870
01:11:57,430 --> 01:11:55,520
rick

1871
01:11:59,830 --> 01:11:57,440
and cause we want to give you the last

1872
01:12:01,910 --> 01:11:59,840
five minutes to talk about what you what

1873
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:01,920
you had but i wanted to get in there and

1874
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:05,040
you spoke about autopsies and we are

1875
01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:07,040
both honored and blessed to have two

1876
01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:10,400
people involved in therapy on this show

1877
01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:13,120
deb is involved in therapy and flareous

1878
01:12:19,830 --> 01:12:15,760
kevin is also involved in in therapy of

1879
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:19,840
children and deb adults as well

1880
01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:22,640
and i thought about the autopsies

1881
01:12:26,229 --> 01:12:24,640
because you i think could i don't know

1882
01:12:28,229 --> 01:12:26,239
if you had i know you had witnessed

1883
01:12:30,630 --> 01:12:28,239
something i don't know if that were was

1884
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:30,640
autopsies or actual interviews

1885
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:33,520
um but how do you think

1886
01:12:38,229 --> 01:12:36,239
or or do you know that some of these

1887
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:38,239
medical professionals would be able to

1888
01:12:41,910 --> 01:12:39,440
deal with

1889
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:41,920
what kind of trauma that may have

1890
01:12:47,430 --> 01:12:44,159
overcome them as a result of of

1891
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:47,440
performing an autopsy on a being

1892
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:50,880
well i know of of uh

1893
01:12:55,189 --> 01:12:52,800
some military physicians

1894
01:12:57,030 --> 01:12:55,199
and some private physicians

1895
01:12:58,790 --> 01:12:57,040
um and i speak

1896
01:13:01,830 --> 01:12:58,800
i can't speak for

1897
01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:01,840
dr green a very very good friend of mine

1898
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:02,800
um

1899
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:04,480
and we were actually on operations

1900
01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:06,719
together him and i not not not medical

1901
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:08,000
operations but

1902
01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:10,800
uh uh operations real classified stuff

1903
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:12,800
yeah and um

1904
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:14,080
uh

1905
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:16,080
but there there are others that have

1906
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:18,480
spoken about this uh

1907
01:13:22,229 --> 01:13:21,199
about autopsies and how how it affects

1908
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:22,239
them

1909
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:24,719
uh and and um

1910
01:13:28,390 --> 01:13:26,320
you know it does i mean

1911
01:13:30,310 --> 01:13:28,400
regardless of of

1912
01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:30,320
even a regular and i very good friend

1913
01:13:35,750 --> 01:13:33,280
who's a surgeon here in in albuquerque

1914
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:35,760
who uh is a general surgeon and he's

1915
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:38,239
been one for 45 years and

1916
01:13:42,470 --> 01:13:40,159
he he operates and

1917
01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:42,480
you know if he when he when he when he's

1918
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:44,880
dealing with children

1919
01:13:50,229 --> 01:13:46,560
it really affects him

1920
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:50,239
uh even after thousands of surgeries

1921
01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:52,800
so when you're dealing with an e.t

1922
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:55,760
something that they've never seen before

1923
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:57,360
there's a lot of

1924
01:14:01,510 --> 01:13:59,280
red flags that go up

1925
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:01,520
when i cut into this there's fumes

1926
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:03,440
coming gonna come out that's gonna kill

1927
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:05,360
me or affect me

1928
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:06,239
uh

1929
01:14:08,229 --> 01:14:07,199
do they

1930
01:14:10,950 --> 01:14:08,239
you know the

1931
01:14:13,830 --> 01:14:10,960
is there a chance that they rejuvenate

1932
01:14:16,229 --> 01:14:13,840
themselves and and so forth and so on so

1933
01:14:19,270 --> 01:14:16,239
all those all those things

1934
01:14:21,270 --> 01:14:19,280
uh are play into this to these doctors

1935
01:14:23,110 --> 01:14:21,280
uh the two of them had worked for the

1936
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:23,120
armed forces institut a pathology in

1937
01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:25,760
washington dc and done autopsies and

1938
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:27,520
they flew out to

1939
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:30,239
to nevada to do them

1940
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:32,159
and you know they they all these things

1941
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:33,840
they worry about you know they they were

1942
01:14:39,110 --> 01:14:36,320
in hazmat suits uh when they when they

1943
01:14:42,870 --> 01:14:39,120
did it i did actually see

1944
01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:42,880
a part of a a a an alien autopsy old one

1945
01:14:47,189 --> 01:14:45,280
it was uh it wasn't an even

1946
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:47,199
uh with some something i think it was a

1947
01:14:50,709 --> 01:14:48,640
kingman crash

1948
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:50,719
uh i saw uh

1949
01:14:54,070 --> 01:14:51,600
about

1950
01:14:55,910 --> 01:14:54,080
seven or eight minutes of it uh it was i

1951
01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:55,920
think the whole thing was like an hour

1952
01:14:59,510 --> 01:14:57,600
and a half and i only saw a segment of

1953
01:15:02,229 --> 01:14:59,520
it

1954
01:15:04,070 --> 01:15:02,239
which was kind of odd because

1955
01:15:05,830 --> 01:15:04,080
you know the skin texture were different

1956
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:05,840
they had to use different knifes and you

1957
01:15:08,630 --> 01:15:07,280
know things like that

1958
01:15:10,709 --> 01:15:08,640
so

1959
01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:10,719
i go back to what i said earlier

1960
01:15:15,110 --> 01:15:12,880
every one of these ets that we've had

1961
01:15:17,110 --> 01:15:15,120
access to or or

1962
01:15:19,030 --> 01:15:17,120
captured or or

1963
01:15:21,669 --> 01:15:19,040
obtained in some manner

1964
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:21,679
are all different biologically speaking

1965
01:15:24,790 --> 01:15:23,120
so

1966
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:24,800
we have to know

1967
01:15:27,910 --> 01:15:26,800
just because we did an autopsy on evil

1968
01:15:30,390 --> 01:15:27,920
one

1969
01:15:32,709 --> 01:15:30,400
or the evens that were in the crash

1970
01:15:36,390 --> 01:15:32,719
uh doesn't mean that we understand

1971
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:36,400
the the the anatomy of of this other one

1972
01:15:41,669 --> 01:15:39,280
that they craft that crashed in kingman

1973
01:15:45,110 --> 01:15:41,679
that weren't evens or the one that craft

1974
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:45,120
crashed in 1965 in nevada that was some

1975
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:48,080
other race it looked like uh uh

1976
01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:51,360
an insect a praying man so so

1977
01:15:56,070 --> 01:15:54,800
you know we they they have to

1978
01:15:57,510 --> 01:15:56,080
they have to

1979
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:57,520
um

1980
01:16:00,950 --> 01:16:00,000
learn all over again so to speak because

1981
01:16:05,830 --> 01:16:00,960
the

1982
01:16:08,310 --> 01:16:05,840
and what we would consider lungs and

1983
01:16:10,950 --> 01:16:08,320
heart were all different and then and

1984
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:10,960
then top it all off

1985
01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:13,440
uh we we had a deal with one that that

1986
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:14,480
breathed

1987
01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:16,480
some methane

1988
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:18,080
i mean they were from a planet that had

1989
01:16:23,510 --> 01:16:20,800
methane in the atmosphere so and we had

1990
01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:23,520
to facilitate them at the

1991
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:27,440
s2 complex in order to keep them alive

1992
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:28,239
so

1993
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:30,080
these are all things that

1994
01:16:37,110 --> 01:16:33,120
we be our scientists became

1995
01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:37,120
rather good at after a while but uh

1996
01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:38,960
it it it affects them and the ones that

1997
01:16:43,189 --> 01:16:40,800
i have spoken with yes the answer would

1998
01:16:44,630 --> 01:16:43,199
be yes you would have to and you know

1999
01:16:46,630 --> 01:16:44,640
rick we can bring him to those cow

2000
01:16:48,709 --> 01:16:46,640
pastures and clovis there's tons of

2001
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:48,719
methane i think the beings could live

2002
01:16:51,910 --> 01:16:50,480
there with no problem the humans are

2003
01:16:53,990 --> 01:16:51,920
having trouble breathing the air in

2004
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:54,000
clovis but i i think

2005
01:16:57,990 --> 01:16:55,920
anyway i agree i agree

2006
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:58,000
sorry cannon air force base i love you

2007
01:17:01,669 --> 01:16:59,120
and i miss you

2008
01:17:03,830 --> 01:17:01,679
all right um anyway rick so the floor is

2009
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:03,840
yours for what you you wanted to talk

2010
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:05,360
about

2011
01:17:10,390 --> 01:17:08,159
well i i spoke uh

2012
01:17:12,630 --> 01:17:10,400
about

2013
01:17:14,790 --> 01:17:12,640
different things regarding technology

2014
01:17:17,590 --> 01:17:14,800
and e.t to different et groups

2015
01:17:19,030 --> 01:17:17,600
one thing i want to talk about is um i

2016
01:17:21,110 --> 01:17:19,040
want to

2017
01:17:23,590 --> 01:17:21,120
tell you right now

2018
01:17:26,950 --> 01:17:23,600
and it's not and i'm sure the fbi is not

2019
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:26,960
going to be knocking at my door but

2020
01:17:31,669 --> 01:17:28,320
i hope not

2021
01:17:34,950 --> 01:17:31,679
everybody everybody wants to know

2022
01:17:37,110 --> 01:17:34,960
uh what happened to mj-12

2023
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:37,120
now over the years you know there was

2024
01:17:41,830 --> 01:17:39,199
really an mj-12 i think it's pretty much

2025
01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:41,840
been established that it was an mj-12 it

2026
01:17:50,070 --> 01:17:45,120
was a working group it was called mj12

2027
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:51,030
and

2028
01:17:56,229 --> 01:17:54,560
over the years the name has changed

2029
01:17:59,669 --> 01:17:56,239
and what it's called right now is

2030
01:18:01,350 --> 01:17:59,679
operation working group 12.

2031
01:18:03,110 --> 01:18:01,360
so

2032
01:18:04,149 --> 01:18:03,120
i don't know if anybody knows this now

2033
01:18:06,229 --> 01:18:04,159
but

2034
01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:06,239
it was i heard it

2035
01:18:10,630 --> 01:18:08,640
from another person who

2036
01:18:13,110 --> 01:18:10,640
would would know

2037
01:18:15,510 --> 01:18:13,120
he's still in intelligence

2038
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:15,520
and i'm not gonna i'm not gonna disclose

2039
01:18:21,030 --> 01:18:17,360
who's in that working group

2040
01:18:24,470 --> 01:18:21,040
but it's called uh owg12 opera

2041
01:18:27,030 --> 01:18:24,480
operations working group 12.

2042
01:18:29,430 --> 01:18:27,040
and it uh it's

2043
01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:29,440
the controller

2044
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:30,880
uh for

2045
01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:33,679
the information uh regarding uaps and

2046
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:35,440
ufos

2047
01:18:39,030 --> 01:18:36,480
um

2048
01:18:41,350 --> 01:18:39,040
that the us government has

2049
01:18:43,270 --> 01:18:41,360
now what i also want to talk about is

2050
01:18:44,950 --> 01:18:43,280
the cooperation

2051
01:18:45,830 --> 01:18:44,960
uh this this question comes up all the

2052
01:18:47,430 --> 01:18:45,840
time

2053
01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:47,440
how much cooperation do we have with

2054
01:18:50,709 --> 01:18:48,880
other governments

2055
01:18:52,630 --> 01:18:50,719
well i can tell you right now we have a

2056
01:18:56,229 --> 01:18:52,640
lot i never i never talked about this in

2057
01:18:59,510 --> 01:18:56,239
the past but we have uh

2058
01:19:01,510 --> 01:18:59,520
we have working groups we have

2059
01:19:05,590 --> 01:19:01,520
connections between

2060
01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:05,600
most of our allied intelligence services

2061
01:19:08,709 --> 01:19:06,880
primarily

2062
01:19:09,750 --> 01:19:08,719
our our best

2063
01:19:12,310 --> 01:19:09,760
uh

2064
01:19:14,229 --> 01:19:12,320
would be with german intelligence with

2065
01:19:16,390 --> 01:19:14,239
with the the the the

2066
01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:16,400
bundesliga deans which is

2067
01:19:20,950 --> 01:19:18,080
their cia

2068
01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:20,960
the uh bundes uh uh

2069
01:19:24,310 --> 01:19:22,960
which is counterintelligence

2070
01:19:25,590 --> 01:19:24,320
uh service

2071
01:19:26,790 --> 01:19:25,600
um

2072
01:19:29,189 --> 01:19:26,800
so

2073
01:19:31,350 --> 01:19:29,199
we have excellent working relationship

2074
01:19:33,910 --> 01:19:31,360
and what i suggest you do

2075
01:19:37,030 --> 01:19:33,920
your viewers do is go to

2076
01:19:38,390 --> 01:19:37,040
gaia and listen to tim

2077
01:19:41,669 --> 01:19:38,400
he's a german

2078
01:19:42,550 --> 01:19:41,679
intelligence officer and listen to him

2079
01:19:45,910 --> 01:19:42,560
we have

2080
01:19:47,990 --> 01:19:45,920
program him and i an episode him and i

2081
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:48,000
talk about the subject but you need to

2082
01:19:52,870 --> 01:19:50,400
talk just to listen to him that's just

2083
01:19:55,270 --> 01:19:52,880
one example but we we do have a good

2084
01:19:56,870 --> 01:19:55,280
working group with italian intelligence

2085
01:19:59,910 --> 01:19:56,880
a japanese

2086
01:20:00,709 --> 01:19:59,920
uh uh south african

2087
01:20:07,430 --> 01:20:00,719
uh

2088
01:20:09,590 --> 01:20:07,440
really really close ones with our nato

2089
01:20:11,350 --> 01:20:09,600
uh allies

2090
01:20:13,830 --> 01:20:11,360
so

2091
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:13,840
we're getting information not only from

2092
01:20:17,350 --> 01:20:14,880
us

2093
01:20:19,350 --> 01:20:17,360
but we're also getting information from

2094
01:20:22,390 --> 01:20:19,360
other uh cooperation with other

2095
01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:22,400
intelligence agencies in in the in the

2096
01:20:26,709 --> 01:20:24,320
nato realm and and some others that

2097
01:20:27,750 --> 01:20:26,719
aren't nato such as japan

2098
01:20:30,070 --> 01:20:27,760
uh so

2099
01:20:31,510 --> 01:20:30,080
we're we're connected

2100
01:20:34,149 --> 01:20:31,520
and uh

2101
01:20:36,310 --> 01:20:34,159
finally uh somebody mentioned time

2102
01:20:38,790 --> 01:20:36,320
travel i was a counterintelligence

2103
01:20:41,189 --> 01:20:38,800
officer for a project uh that occurred

2104
01:20:43,110 --> 01:20:41,199
at nana at a test nevada test site which

2105
01:20:44,629 --> 01:20:43,120
is now nevada national security site

2106
01:20:46,629 --> 01:20:44,639
that dealt with it was the sandia

2107
01:20:48,310 --> 01:20:46,639
national laboratories and that and

2108
01:20:49,750 --> 01:20:48,320
believe me right now when i tell you

2109
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:49,760
that we know

2110
01:20:54,629 --> 01:20:52,080
how to time travel now whether we

2111
01:20:55,510 --> 01:20:54,639
actually done it or not i can't go in i

2112
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:55,520
don't know

2113
01:20:59,430 --> 01:20:57,280
but we know how

2114
01:21:00,709 --> 01:20:59,440
we know how it's done

2115
01:21:02,790 --> 01:21:00,719
and

2116
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:02,800
how close with that

2117
01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:04,800
that portends a lot of a lot of

2118
01:21:11,189 --> 01:21:09,430
i mean i'm picking my intro off the

2119
01:21:12,229 --> 01:21:11,199
floor

2120
01:21:20,629 --> 01:21:12,239
so

2121
01:21:24,229 --> 01:21:22,470
i'm not sure what i want to ask i guess

2122
01:21:29,270 --> 01:21:24,239
that what i am a little bit what i want

2123
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:31,270
as do you think our let me put it this

2124
01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:32,080
way

2125
01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:34,000
there's a there's a great novel written

2126
01:21:37,430 --> 01:21:35,440
by a chinese novelist called the

2127
01:21:40,950 --> 01:21:37,440
three-body problem if you've heard of it

2128
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:40,960
but it's a trilogy and it talks about um

2129
01:21:45,430 --> 01:21:43,120
uh and lou elizondo mentioned this in

2130
01:21:46,870 --> 01:21:45,440
one of his interviews that uh it was a

2131
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:46,880
book worth kind of taking a look at

2132
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:48,960
anyway it's excellent but one of the

2133
01:21:54,390 --> 01:21:51,120
concepts in this book

2134
01:21:59,510 --> 01:21:56,709
we sort of learned that whatever

2135
01:22:02,149 --> 01:21:59,520
intelligence is present on the earth has

2136
01:22:04,070 --> 01:22:02,159
a great awareness of what we are doing

2137
01:22:05,510 --> 01:22:04,080
and yet they are also

2138
01:22:06,790 --> 01:22:05,520
kind of on their way in a way they're

2139
01:22:09,669 --> 01:22:06,800
not here at the moment or they're kind

2140
01:22:11,830 --> 01:22:09,679
of here of an observing capacity but

2141
01:22:14,790 --> 01:22:11,840
some of the reason for the obfuscation

2142
01:22:15,910 --> 01:22:14,800
and the uh you know subterfuge of this

2143
01:22:17,830 --> 01:22:15,920
topic

2144
01:22:19,510 --> 01:22:17,840
perpetrated by governments

2145
01:22:22,149 --> 01:22:19,520
is in part to kind of

2146
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:22,159
conceal what we are doing

2147
01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:25,199
in preparation or response to whatever

2148
01:22:27,510 --> 01:22:26,719
they may be doing

2149
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:27,520
uh

2150
01:22:30,390 --> 01:22:29,199
you know can you speak to some of that

2151
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:30,400
even if we

2152
01:22:37,270 --> 01:22:34,080
are a threat do you think there is

2153
01:22:38,629 --> 01:22:37,280
an active effort to sort of conceal

2154
01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:38,639
our own

2155
01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:40,960
work to understand them

2156
01:22:44,149 --> 01:22:42,880
and things that we may be doing in order

2157
01:22:48,550 --> 01:22:44,159
to

2158
01:22:50,229 --> 01:22:48,560
saying we would but surely someone's

2159
01:22:52,709 --> 01:22:50,239
thought about that and is thinking about

2160
01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:52,719
how to do that

2161
01:22:55,510 --> 01:22:54,159
well

2162
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:55,520
as

2163
01:23:00,070 --> 01:22:56,880
gj knows

2164
01:23:03,110 --> 01:23:00,080
the military plans for everything

2165
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:03,120
every single thing you can think of the

2166
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:05,440
military can plan for ten thousand other

2167
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:07,679
things invasion from

2168
01:23:12,870 --> 01:23:10,080
mars invasion from venus

2169
01:23:13,990 --> 01:23:12,880
they have a plan an operations plan for

2170
01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:14,000
everything

2171
01:23:19,030 --> 01:23:17,440
and believe me the the the united states

2172
01:23:22,870 --> 01:23:19,040
government when i was

2173
01:23:24,709 --> 01:23:22,880
um when i had access to uh

2174
01:23:25,990 --> 01:23:24,719
the war plan

2175
01:23:27,750 --> 01:23:26,000
um

2176
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:27,760
annex k

2177
01:23:34,229 --> 01:23:29,760
which was the intelligence portion of

2178
01:23:36,950 --> 01:23:34,239
the uh war of the united states war plan

2179
01:23:38,149 --> 01:23:36,960
in that and it's highly uh classified

2180
01:23:39,669 --> 01:23:38,159
top secret

2181
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:39,679
um

2182
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:45,600
from

2183
01:23:49,270 --> 01:23:48,000
uh and they made up a group of aliens

2184
01:23:51,669 --> 01:23:49,280
but

2185
01:23:53,350 --> 01:23:51,679
from and advanced aircrafts advanced

2186
01:23:56,390 --> 01:23:53,360
spaceships and so forth and so on and so

2187
01:23:58,149 --> 01:23:56,400
on and so uh

2188
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:58,159
we have a plan

2189
01:24:02,070 --> 01:24:00,560
and and you bring up a next interesting

2190
01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:02,080
point that i don't like to talk a lot

2191
01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:03,840
about is

2192
01:24:08,070 --> 01:24:06,400
we have we have a plan we had a plan

2193
01:24:09,830 --> 01:24:08,080
during my time period

2194
01:24:11,270 --> 01:24:09,840
and we have a plan now it's probably

2195
01:24:12,950 --> 01:24:11,280
more elaborate

2196
01:24:14,790 --> 01:24:12,960
and we have weapon systems that you

2197
01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:14,800
haven't seen yet

2198
01:24:17,830 --> 01:24:15,760
um

2199
01:24:20,550 --> 01:24:17,840
when i was in uh

2200
01:24:21,750 --> 01:24:20,560
uh uh we had things

2201
01:24:23,669 --> 01:24:21,760
uh

2202
01:24:25,950 --> 01:24:23,679
in in in

2203
01:24:27,669 --> 01:24:25,960
in a battlefield position situation in

2204
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:27,679
1971

2205
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:28,560
uh

2206
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:30,880
i was deployed to a hot

2207
01:24:35,830 --> 01:24:33,600
area and we had laptops

2208
01:24:36,550 --> 01:24:35,840
in 1971 we had a laptop

2209
01:24:38,229 --> 01:24:36,560
so

2210
01:24:42,149 --> 01:24:38,239
that just tells you that

2211
01:24:44,070 --> 01:24:42,159
the military has technology now that we

2212
01:24:47,270 --> 01:24:44,080
will you won't the public won't get for

2213
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:47,280
10 or 12 or 15 years so we have weapon

2214
01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:49,840
systems now i know we do

2215
01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:52,560
i've spent time outside um

2216
01:24:55,669 --> 01:24:53,679
uh

2217
01:24:57,830 --> 01:24:55,679
the test range up there and seeing

2218
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:57,840
strange things anybody go out there and

2219
01:25:01,910 --> 01:25:00,239
park outside and look and watch these

2220
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:01,920
strange things occurring

2221
01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:04,560
these testing of these balls of fire or

2222
01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:07,040
balls of plasma

2223
01:25:11,669 --> 01:25:09,520
so we having things that we're planning

2224
01:25:13,510 --> 01:25:11,679
now the question is why aren't we using

2225
01:25:15,030 --> 01:25:13,520
them why don't we give them to ukraine

2226
01:25:16,149 --> 01:25:15,040
and why don't we you know

2227
01:25:18,870 --> 01:25:16,159
well

2228
01:25:21,590 --> 01:25:18,880
it's not for russia it's for

2229
01:25:25,110 --> 01:25:21,600
something else that could occur

2230
01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:25,120
so we do have plans and we do have

2231
01:25:29,830 --> 01:25:27,760
um technology that's more advanced i

2232
01:25:31,350 --> 01:25:29,840
mean i think it was uh the guy from

2233
01:25:33,270 --> 01:25:31,360
lockheed that said you know we could

2234
01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:33,280
have we could take

2235
01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:39,189
thank you

2236
01:25:41,669 --> 01:25:40,000
uh

2237
01:25:43,830 --> 01:25:41,679
yeah um

2238
01:25:45,910 --> 01:25:43,840
yeah and they're you know like rick said

2239
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:45,920
there are old plans i actually did a no

2240
01:25:49,990 --> 01:25:47,920
plan back in

2241
01:25:52,390 --> 01:25:50,000
might have been like 2005

2242
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:52,400
for something and i was very surprised

2243
01:25:57,510 --> 01:25:54,560
that somebody asked me to go be part of

2244
01:25:58,790 --> 01:25:57,520
this plan x planning exercise of which

2245
01:26:00,790 --> 01:25:58,800
when you're done with the plan they

2246
01:26:02,950 --> 01:26:00,800
basically close it they archive it and

2247
01:26:05,350 --> 01:26:02,960
then if that situation comes up they

2248
01:26:07,669 --> 01:26:05,360
unarchive it and say okay this is where

2249
01:26:08,870 --> 01:26:07,679
we're going to start at least by looking

2250
01:26:10,790 --> 01:26:08,880
at how we're going to deal with this

2251
01:26:11,910 --> 01:26:10,800
threat and i did when i was part of one

2252
01:26:13,910 --> 01:26:11,920
uh

2253
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:13,920
back then i thought i was a little bit

2254
01:26:18,070 --> 01:26:16,560
young for that but but uh i was selected

2255
01:26:20,790 --> 01:26:18,080
to go do it

2256
01:26:23,350 --> 01:26:20,800
kev uh what do you got finally for uh mr

2257
01:26:25,830 --> 01:26:23,360
dodie well actually

2258
01:26:28,229 --> 01:26:25,840
i just was wondering since you've had a

2259
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:28,239
lot of uh close encounters of

2260
01:26:33,189 --> 01:26:30,480
numerous kinds have you endured any

2261
01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:33,199
ailments from your from harmful uap

2262
01:26:44,470 --> 01:26:35,199
effects like any physical

2263
01:26:44,480 --> 01:26:48,830
when i was at

2264
01:26:53,669 --> 01:26:51,750
tonopah um

2265
01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:53,679
i got a rash on my hand after an

2266
01:26:57,590 --> 01:26:55,280
incident that uh

2267
01:26:59,590 --> 01:26:57,600
i've spoke about uh

2268
01:27:02,709 --> 01:26:59,600
and gaia on an episode

2269
01:27:06,870 --> 01:27:02,719
the urania mountain incident um

2270
01:27:09,270 --> 01:27:06,880
i got i had a rash on my left hand um

2271
01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:09,280
just just over the top of my hand and it

2272
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:10,719
was a very uh

2273
01:27:13,510 --> 01:27:12,000
painful

2274
01:27:15,910 --> 01:27:13,520
rash that

2275
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:15,920
uh doctors uh

2276
01:27:20,550 --> 01:27:18,800
military doctors uh couldn't understand

2277
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:20,560
i mean i i

2278
01:27:24,390 --> 01:27:22,400
was seen at a clinic there and i was

2279
01:27:25,189 --> 01:27:24,400
sent to nellis air force base hospital

2280
01:27:26,709 --> 01:27:25,199
they

2281
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:26,719
looked at it and it was sent down to the

2282
01:27:30,950 --> 01:27:28,000
university of

2283
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:30,960
nevada medical center in las vegas

2284
01:27:34,470 --> 01:27:32,560
dermatologist

2285
01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:34,480
said you know we don't know what it is

2286
01:27:39,590 --> 01:27:36,800
it eventually went away but

2287
01:27:40,390 --> 01:27:39,600
it happened after we were in that cave

2288
01:27:47,669 --> 01:27:40,400
and

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01:27:49,189 --> 01:27:47,679
was

2290
01:27:50,950 --> 01:27:49,199
because of that

2291
01:27:53,189 --> 01:27:50,960
but that's that's the only time i can

2292
01:27:55,510 --> 01:27:53,199
remember ever having any kind of ill

2293
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:55,520
effects uh relating

2294
01:27:58,870 --> 01:27:57,280
to to you

2295
01:28:01,830 --> 01:27:58,880
ufo now i've

2296
01:28:03,990 --> 01:28:01,840
i've during the military i've jumped out

2297
01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:04,000
airplanes and landed wrong and things

2298
01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:07,199
like that but other than that but uh

2299
01:28:10,149 --> 01:28:08,400
all right

2300
01:28:12,790 --> 01:28:10,159
what squadron were before we turn over

2301
01:28:14,229 --> 01:28:12,800
to deb were you in the 21st that pope no

2302
01:28:16,550 --> 01:28:14,239
no

2303
01:28:18,790 --> 01:28:16,560
uh that was way way way special tactics

2304
01:28:20,870 --> 01:28:18,800
was it was after

2305
01:28:22,470 --> 01:28:20,880
project rainbow uh

2306
01:28:25,030 --> 01:28:22,480
no um

2307
01:28:27,350 --> 01:28:25,040
uh i was with a 7 14

2308
01:28:29,030 --> 01:28:27,360
attack control flight and that was part

2309
01:28:30,070 --> 01:28:29,040
of the 601st

2310
01:28:31,350 --> 01:28:30,080
combat

2311
01:28:32,390 --> 01:28:31,360
support wing

2312
01:28:37,590 --> 01:28:32,400
um

2313
01:28:40,390 --> 01:28:37,600
and and and when i was in germany uh in

2314
01:28:41,750 --> 01:28:40,400
southeast asia i was with a 6 12 attack

2315
01:28:42,950 --> 01:28:41,760
control flight

2316
01:28:44,470 --> 01:28:42,960
and

2317
01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:44,480
most of us

2318
01:28:50,229 --> 01:28:46,800
we had one in two teams the one team

2319
01:28:51,990 --> 01:28:50,239
were always assigned to rangers

2320
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:52,000
and the two teams were teams that went

2321
01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:53,040
out

2322
01:28:56,950 --> 01:28:54,239
on their own

2323
01:28:59,110 --> 01:28:56,960
i was assigned to one team and so i was

2324
01:29:02,470 --> 01:28:59,120
always attached to the ranger unit uh

2325
01:29:04,950 --> 01:29:02,480
not always uh we did we we did uh some

2326
01:29:06,790 --> 01:29:04,960
work with the air cab guys but

2327
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:06,800
mostly it was uh

2328
01:29:10,149 --> 01:29:07,679
uh

2329
01:29:12,149 --> 01:29:10,159
with the rangers or or an infantry unit

2330
01:29:14,709 --> 01:29:12,159
uh setting up an uh

2331
01:29:16,790 --> 01:29:14,719
uh air air control system around a

2332
01:29:19,030 --> 01:29:16,800
combat zone as you know yeah

2333
01:29:21,590 --> 01:29:19,040
and we would call in uh

2334
01:29:24,310 --> 01:29:21,600
calls for fire yeah

2335
01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:24,320
awesome uh debs has uh i think an

2336
01:29:27,669 --> 01:29:25,360
audience

2337
01:29:30,629 --> 01:29:27,679
question for you and then that'll

2338
01:29:32,790 --> 01:29:30,639
that'll be our closer okay okay

2339
01:29:33,830 --> 01:29:32,800
the question is from

2340
01:29:35,350 --> 01:29:33,840
number

2341
01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:35,360
16

2342
01:29:39,669 --> 01:29:37,280
and is does

2343
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:39,679
richard have a history of practicing

2344
01:29:48,070 --> 01:29:44,000
remote viewing with dr put off

2345
01:29:51,669 --> 01:29:48,080
dr evil in the house go for it rick

2346
01:29:53,430 --> 01:29:51,679
well i have uh delved into remote

2347
01:29:55,830 --> 01:29:53,440
viewing um

2348
01:29:58,149 --> 01:29:55,840
we we weren't uh

2349
01:30:00,950 --> 01:29:58,159
we didn't have any uh when i worked for

2350
01:30:02,709 --> 01:30:00,960
him for the 11 years i worked for him

2351
01:30:04,629 --> 01:30:02,719
uh i was always interested in the

2352
01:30:06,790 --> 01:30:04,639
subject of remote viewing because i

2353
01:30:08,790 --> 01:30:06,800
actually in intelligence

2354
01:30:10,790 --> 01:30:08,800
we were doing things that were

2355
01:30:12,149 --> 01:30:10,800
supporting remote viewing we didn't

2356
01:30:13,990 --> 01:30:12,159
really know what we were doing we didn't

2357
01:30:16,470 --> 01:30:14,000
know what remote viewing was at that

2358
01:30:19,510 --> 01:30:16,480
time it was even it was so classified

2359
01:30:22,629 --> 01:30:19,520
and compartmented and and i tried it i i

2360
01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:22,639
uh sat in a room and i remote try to

2361
01:30:27,030 --> 01:30:24,320
remove you something that was in another

2362
01:30:28,149 --> 01:30:27,040
part of our our building in austin texas

2363
01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:28,159
uh and

2364
01:30:33,990 --> 01:30:30,880
and i got a few things right but it

2365
01:30:37,110 --> 01:30:34,000
takes a lot of uh training unless you're

2366
01:30:38,070 --> 01:30:37,120
a natural remote viewer like pat price

2367
01:30:40,070 --> 01:30:38,080
um

2368
01:30:41,590 --> 01:30:40,080
yeah you're you're you're it's not

2369
01:30:44,550 --> 01:30:41,600
something that you can just learn

2370
01:30:46,870 --> 01:30:44,560
overnight uh but i and i did i did delve

2371
01:30:49,830 --> 01:30:46,880
into it but i was more fascinated by the

2372
01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:49,840
others that were there that were remote

2373
01:30:55,350 --> 01:30:52,080
viewing things that are you know like

2374
01:30:58,229 --> 01:30:55,360
mars and and neptune and things that

2375
01:30:59,990 --> 01:30:58,239
were doing it that just fascinated me

2376
01:31:01,189 --> 01:31:00,000
uh but yeah i delved into it a little

2377
01:31:03,189 --> 01:31:01,199
bit

2378
01:31:04,790 --> 01:31:03,199
deb has a follow-up i know this is very

2379
01:31:08,709 --> 01:31:04,800
surprising go ahead

2380
01:31:10,870 --> 01:31:08,719
no i just i since he is your friend and

2381
01:31:12,390 --> 01:31:10,880
perhaps he is um

2382
01:31:13,910 --> 01:31:12,400
willing to share

2383
01:31:15,590 --> 01:31:13,920
i have not seen anything that says

2384
01:31:18,470 --> 01:31:15,600
whether or not

2385
01:31:20,950 --> 01:31:18,480
put off himself as a remote viewer

2386
01:31:26,070 --> 01:31:20,960
okay that's what i was wondering uh now

2387
01:31:33,030 --> 01:31:28,830
kit green's not a remote viewer they

2388
01:31:34,870 --> 01:31:33,040
facilitated uh they were uh involved in

2389
01:31:36,229 --> 01:31:34,880
setting everything up administrative

2390
01:31:38,229 --> 01:31:36,239
control

2391
01:31:41,750 --> 01:31:38,239
they brought in the uh people that they

2392
01:31:43,430 --> 01:31:41,760
train of course uh keller and geller and

2393
01:31:44,390 --> 01:31:43,440
and and target those people were the

2394
01:31:46,870 --> 01:31:44,400
ones that were

2395
01:31:48,550 --> 01:31:46,880
and and others that were training him uh

2396
01:31:49,430 --> 01:31:48,560
there's a there's other aspects you know

2397
01:31:53,669 --> 01:31:49,440
there's

2398
01:31:55,270 --> 01:31:53,679
remote viewing program that hasn't been

2399
01:31:58,550 --> 01:31:55,280
declassified

2400
01:32:00,950 --> 01:31:58,560
uh and i was always told you know

2401
01:32:03,510 --> 01:32:00,960
dr put off always reminded me that

2402
01:32:06,229 --> 01:32:03,520
there's a lot of things that are still

2403
01:32:07,510 --> 01:32:06,239
are classified regarding remote viewing

2404
01:32:09,030 --> 01:32:07,520
and one of them

2405
01:32:10,629 --> 01:32:09,040
and i'm not going to go into great

2406
01:32:11,669 --> 01:32:10,639
details on this one of them if we have

2407
01:32:13,669 --> 01:32:11,679
time

2408
01:32:16,390 --> 01:32:13,679
is that there is a

2409
01:32:18,709 --> 01:32:16,400
probably one of the most

2410
01:32:21,590 --> 01:32:18,719
famous remote viewers that was

2411
01:32:23,510 --> 01:32:21,600
non-military or non-government

2412
01:32:25,430 --> 01:32:23,520
that we that we the united states

2413
01:32:27,750 --> 01:32:25,440
government got a hold of

2414
01:32:29,830 --> 01:32:27,760
was a school teacher in maryland

2415
01:32:31,830 --> 01:32:29,840
an african-american lady

2416
01:32:32,790 --> 01:32:31,840
that was

2417
01:33:20,070 --> 01:32:32,800
a

2418
01:33:21,270 --> 01:33:20,080
you know you know i i

2419
01:33:25,030 --> 01:33:21,280
he you know what

2420
01:33:27,030 --> 01:33:25,040
hal's not an open person he's very very

2421
01:33:35,430 --> 01:33:27,040
um

2422
01:33:36,950 --> 01:33:35,440
i think he's more or less apprehensive

2423
01:33:38,950 --> 01:33:36,960
about questions

2424
01:33:40,390 --> 01:33:38,960
that he can't answer not not that he

2425
01:33:42,070 --> 01:33:40,400
doesn't know about him

2426
01:33:43,510 --> 01:33:42,080
but that's just questions that he just

2427
01:33:45,910 --> 01:33:43,520
can't answer

2428
01:33:47,990 --> 01:33:45,920
and people get the wrong impression of

2429
01:33:49,270 --> 01:33:48,000
him but and i'm not going to speak for

2430
01:33:51,030 --> 01:33:49,280
him but

2431
01:33:52,310 --> 01:33:51,040
i can certainly ask him to be on your

2432
01:33:54,550 --> 01:33:52,320
show

2433
01:33:56,870 --> 01:33:54,560
special co-host rick dodie for that

2434
01:33:58,629 --> 01:33:56,880
episode nathan absolutely yeah all right

2435
01:34:01,750 --> 01:33:58,639
there we go all right everybody's gonna

2436
01:34:04,629 --> 01:34:01,760
say their goodbyes go ahead deb

2437
01:34:07,110 --> 01:34:04,639
thank you so much for agreeing to be my

2438
01:34:08,790 --> 01:34:07,120
future bff i look forward to future

2439
01:34:12,550 --> 01:34:08,800
conversations

2440
01:34:14,790 --> 01:34:12,560
with you i greatly appreciate you coming

2441
01:34:16,870 --> 01:34:14,800
out and speaking to the public and

2442
01:34:19,590 --> 01:34:16,880
trying to educate them

2443
01:34:22,470 --> 01:34:19,600
you're very welcome dad nice meeting you

2444
01:34:26,870 --> 01:34:25,830
mr doty thank you for protecting us from

2445
01:34:28,870 --> 01:34:26,880
the um

2446
01:34:29,750 --> 01:34:28,880
the giant aliens because i know one of

2447
01:34:33,430 --> 01:34:29,760
your

2448
01:34:35,750 --> 01:34:33,440
was to

2449
01:34:37,510 --> 01:34:35,760
you know neutralize threats so thank you

2450
01:34:38,390 --> 01:34:37,520
for getting rid of the the big scary

2451
01:34:40,550 --> 01:34:38,400
ones

2452
01:34:42,870 --> 01:34:40,560
and it was it was fantastic meeting you

2453
01:34:45,430 --> 01:34:42,880
like seriously very much kevin yes thank

2454
01:34:47,189 --> 01:34:45,440
you for coming on you're very welcome

2455
01:34:49,430 --> 01:34:47,199
money nathan

2456
01:34:52,070 --> 01:34:49,440
yeah again thank you and uh thank you to

2457
01:34:54,229 --> 01:34:52,080
our audience uh for participating today

2458
01:34:56,390 --> 01:34:54,239
as well rick it's always a pleasure and

2459
01:34:58,790 --> 01:34:56,400
um i know there's so much wrapped up in

2460
01:35:01,109 --> 01:34:58,800
the story and there's so much left so

2461
01:35:03,830 --> 01:35:01,119
many chapters left to tell in this story

2462
01:35:06,070 --> 01:35:03,840
so thank you for uh being a part of it

2463
01:35:09,109 --> 01:35:06,080
and uh for continuing to engage

2464
01:35:10,629 --> 01:35:09,119
and for taking time today to be with us

2465
01:35:12,149 --> 01:35:10,639
you're welcome thank you rick there's

2466
01:35:13,830 --> 01:35:12,159
there yeah we still have tons of

2467
01:35:16,070 --> 01:35:13,840
questions so we got enough for round

2468
01:35:18,070 --> 01:35:16,080
three uh we'll provide you and doctor

2469
01:35:20,390 --> 01:35:18,080
put them on together and you'll be a

2470
01:35:24,390 --> 01:35:20,400
special co-host uh want a shout out to

2471
01:35:26,790 --> 01:35:24,400
akashi chris uh vinnie frank from uh ufo

2472
01:35:28,629 --> 01:35:26,800
thinker who had uh uh vinnie really

2473
01:35:31,189 --> 01:35:28,639
wants to have he's the guy he's the guy

2474
01:35:33,430 --> 01:35:31,199
from disclosure team from the uk he's

2475
01:35:35,990 --> 01:35:33,440
part of uap media uk he's dying to have

2476
01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:36,000
you on rick so uh we all of us i think

2477
01:35:39,590 --> 01:35:37,920
would highly recommend vinnie he is such

2478
01:35:42,390 --> 01:35:39,600
a gentleman he is the william

2479
01:35:43,669 --> 01:35:42,400
shakespeare of ufo twitter and like

2480
01:35:44,950 --> 01:35:43,679
seriously

2481
01:35:46,950 --> 01:35:44,960
so uh

2482
01:35:49,590 --> 01:35:46,960
so like and subscribe everybody that's

2483
01:35:53,430 --> 01:35:49,600
all we need uh for us if you would like

2484
01:35:55,189 --> 01:35:53,440
our our our youtube subscribe and i want

2485
01:35:56,470 --> 01:35:55,199
to thank you it's an honor once again to

2486
01:35:59,189 --> 01:35:56,480
speak with you

2487
01:36:01,590 --> 01:35:59,199
uh rick uh you know obviously i joke

2488
01:36:05,030 --> 01:36:01,600
around a lot but the amount of

2489
01:36:07,510 --> 01:36:05,040
uh work that you've done on behalf of of

2490
01:36:08,629 --> 01:36:07,520
our country and are continuing to do

2491
01:36:11,990 --> 01:36:08,639
right now

2492
01:36:13,669 --> 01:36:12,000
out of uniform uh it is extraordinarily

2493
01:36:15,990 --> 01:36:13,679
remarkable and it's inspiring to

2494
01:36:17,830 --> 01:36:16,000
somebody like me so thank you very much

2495
01:36:20,470 --> 01:36:17,840
rick namaste

2496
01:36:23,510 --> 01:36:20,480
and uh for absolutely there dj thank you

2497
01:36:26,390 --> 01:36:23,520
sir i appreciate you sir for uh nathan

2498
01:36:29,510 --> 01:36:26,400
for kevin for debs and for mr rick dodie

2499
01:36:32,910 --> 01:36:29,520
this is dj saying peace out one love and